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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

French Rage said:
If that is truly the case, I would hope these debates illustrate who among the four major candidates is the largest impediment there, and how they could best send the message that they want no more of this.
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He definitely stands out like a sore thumb...and truth be told it already was getting pretty obvious people are getting bored with it. A reminder of how things used to be should only make that worse.

The fact that Harris is going to have Walz doing a blitz of appearances and media seems to back that up.

And of course Trump is, on cue, going all vitriolic and saying he will not do another debate and he still won't do 60 minutes. I wonder what they will do with Vance because his attacking the moderators is not going to go over well with Legacy media types. Their egos hate stuff like that.
 
Chutkan released Jack Smith's 180 page filing detailing evidence against Trump in the Jan 6 case. no news about what's in it so far, but the headline of the article I saw this in said "Let them riot" which sounds rather damning, and moreso depending on who it was that made this statement.
 
rufus said:
Chutkan released Jack Smith's 180 page filing detailing evidence against Trump in the Jan 6 case. no news about what's in it so far, but the headline of the article I saw this in said "Let them riot" which sounds rather damning, and moreso depending on who it was that made this statement.
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Yeah...this going to get ugly.

Vance is dropping the slick act already and is saying you should be able to yell fire in a crowded theater. (Literally) They can't even take a win they pivot less than a day later.
 
rufus said:
Chutkan released Jack Smith's 180 page filing detailing evidence against Trump in the Jan 6 case. no news about what's in it so far, but the headline of the article I saw this in said "Let them riot" which sounds rather damning, and moreso depending on who it was that made this statement.
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The comment is potentially even worse - from what I've seen it's "Make them riot".
 
Handyman said:
He definitely stands out like a sore thumb...and truth be told it already was getting pretty obvious people are getting bored with it. A reminder of how things used to be should only make that worse.

The fact that Harris is going to have Walz doing a blitz of appearances and media seems to back that up.

And of course Trump is, on cue, going all vitriolic and saying he will not do another debate and he still won't do 60 minutes. I wonder what they will do with Vance because his attacking the moderators is not going to go over well with Legacy media types. Their egos hate stuff like that.
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And of course, the media, especially faux, won't call him on the same things they were whining about Harris about- who then fulfilled every single "request".

We are so screwed that nobody holds that f-ing moron to account. For anything. From crimes to the same thing they demand of his opponent.
 
MichVandal said:
And of course, the media, especially faux, won't call him on the same things they were whining about Harris about- who then fulfilled every single "request".

We are so screwed that nobody holds that f-ing moron to account. For anything. From crimes to the same thing they demand of his opponent.
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I dunno the indictment is being linked to what Vance said at the debate...even CNN was discussing it correctly :eek:
 
Just downloaded the filing. Probably won't get a chance to read through it until the weekend.

I do know that redacted 'P1' is Bannon. And the "make them riot" comment seems to be something at the state level, during the vote counting process. Although I could be wrong on that.
 
1 is Bannon because they know Bannon said the things alleged. (its been discussed previously) I think I heard p17 or whatever is Kemp. And the added Co-Conspirator is Christina Bobb Trumps former attorney.
 
Jimjamesak said:
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is gaining a ton of traction from what I’ve seen online.
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That and "I'm focusing on the future" were the two big lines from the debate and they both suck for Vance and Dump.

But the hilarious thing is the more the media tries to squeeze the "Vance was so polished and civil" story, the more that makes Dump look like an a-hole, and then of course Dump will throw a nutter.
 
Kepler said:
That and "I'm focusing on the future" were the two big lines from the debate and they both suck for Vance and Dump.

But the hilarious thing is the more the media tries to squeeze the "Vance was so polished and civil" story, the more that makes Dump look like an a-hole, and then of course Dump will throw a nutter.
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That stopped with Vance's rally today and then the indictment being unsealed.

Speaking of:

https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3/p...NfYMFcYXS9GGjQ

Jack Smith Trump's own tweets to get around immunity.

https://www.threads.net/@gtconway3/...QGz7iUczmr66TfCDHZKdRUgykNZskf4NfYMFcYXS9GGjQ

Trump's people on Nov. 7th told him he likely was going to lose.
 
Melania is pro Abortion according to her book...I wonder how Evangelicals will feel about her now!
 
P2 Bill Stepien
P3 Justin Clark
P4 Jason Miller
p10 Digenova
p11 Victoria Toensing
P13 Jared Kushner
P16 Doug Ducey
P17 Brian Kemp
P18 Rusty Bowers
P19 Christina Bobb
P25 Gabriel Sterling
P27 David Purdue
P28 Kelly Loeffler
P29,30 Shaye Moss & Ruby Freeman
P35 Ryan Germany
P36 Cleta Mitchell
P43 Justin Reimer
P44 Liz Harrington

CC1- Rudy Giuliani
CC2- John Eastman
CC3- Sidney Powell
CC4- Jeff Clark
CC5- Ken Chesebro

P1- Steve Bannon
P8- Marc Short
P9- WH lawyer (Cipollone?)
P12- Jenna Ellis
P21- Mark Meadows
P33- Brad Raffensperger
P39- Ronna McDaniel
P58- Greg Jacob

P9- Eric Herschmann
P42- Rhona Graff

P50- Christopher Krebs
P52- Bill Barr


?????
CC6 is Jeffrey Clark
 
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Here's another list but doesn't really make sense since Ellis is on twice.
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[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]CC1 - Rudy Guiliani[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]CC2 - John Eastman - Trump lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]CC3 - Sidney Powell Trump lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]CC4 - Jeffery Clark - DOJ Official[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]CC5 - Kenneth Chesebro - Drafted fake elector memos[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]CC6 - Christina Bobb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P1 - Steve Bannon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P2 - Bill Stepien - Campaign Manager[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]P3 - Justin Clark - Deputy Campaign Manager[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P4 - Jason Miller - Senior Campaign Advisor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P5 - Michael Roman - Campaign staffer -disrupting vote counts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P6 - Roger Stone - Longtime Trump advisor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P7 - Mark Meadows - White House Chief of Staff[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P8 - Mark Short - Pence Chief of staff[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P9 - Greg Jacob White House Lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P10 - Joseph DiGenova - Lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P11 - Victoria Toensing - Lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P12 - Jenna Ellis - Trump Lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P13 - Jared Kushner - Trump's son-in-law[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P14 - Ivanka Trump - Trump's daughter[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P15 - Assistant to the President and Director of Oval Office Operations - Nicholas F. Luna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P16 - Arizona Gov Doug Ducey[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P17 - Brian Kemp - Georgia Governor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P18 - Rusty Bowers - AZ House Speaker[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P19 - Liz Harrington - Campaign spokesperson[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P20 - Kory Langhofer - Bowers' lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P21 - Mark Meadows - White House Chief of Staff[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P22 - Brad Raffensperger - Georgia Secretary of State[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P23 - Cleta Mitchell - Trump's lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P24 - Jacki Pick - presented misleading footage[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P25 - Gabriel Sterling - GA official[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P26 - Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P27 - U.S. Senator David Perdue[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P28 - U.S. Senator Kelly Loeffler[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P29 - Ruby Freeman - GA election worker- falsely accused[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P30 - Shaye Moss - GA election worker- Freeman's daughter[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P31 - Kurt Hilbert - Trump's lawyer in GA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P32 - Ray Smith III - Trump's lawyer in Trump v. Kemp[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P33 - Brad Raffensperger - GA Secretary of State[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P34 - Ryan Germany - GA Deputy Secretary of State[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P35 - Alex Kaufman - Raffensperger's general counsel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P36 - Robert Cheeley - Trump lawyer on GA call[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P37 - Mike Shirkey - MI Senate Majority Leader[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P38 - Lee Chatfield - MI House Speaker[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P39 - RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P41 - Scott Gragson - NV operative assisting in MI[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P42 - Molly Michael - Trump's executive assistant[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P43 - Justin Riemer - RNC Chief Counsel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P44 - Sophia Lai - RNC spokesperson[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P45 - Dan Scavino - Trump's social media director[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P46 - Bernie Kerik - PA Republican Party Chair[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P47 - Al Schmidt - Philadelphia City Commissioner[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P48 - Michael Coudrey - Pro-Trump online figure[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P49 - Brian Hagedorn - WI Supreme Court Justice [TABLE="cellpadding: 0, cellspacing: 0"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P50 - Chris Krebs - CISA Director[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P51 - Tucker Carlson - Fox News host[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P52 - William Barr - Attorney General[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P53 - Kelli Ward - AZ GOP Chair, fake elector scheme[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P54 - Hannah Salem - Trump campaign staffer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P55 - Boris Epshteyn - Trump advisor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P56 - Cleta Mitchell - Trump lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P57 - Lou Barletta - Former Congressman, PA elector[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P58 - Greg Jacob - Pence's Counsel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P59 - Pat Cipollone - White House counsel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P60 - Kayleigh McEnany - WH Press Secretary[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P61 - Karen Fann - AZ Senate President[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P62 - Ken Paxton - TX Attorney General[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P63 - Eric Schmitt - MO Attorney General[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P64 - Caroline Wren - Jan 6 rally organizer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P65 - Julie Fancelli - Jan 6 rally funder[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P66 - Dustin Stockton - Jan 6 rally organizer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P67 - Shealah Craighead - WH photographer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P68 - Raheem Kassam - Conservative commentator[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P69 - Peter Navarro - WH trade advisor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P70 - Jenna Ellis - Trump lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P71 - Eric Herschmann - Deputy WH Counsel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P72 - Pam Bondi - Trump Campaign advisor[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P73 - Dan Scavino - WH staffer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P74 - Rudy Giuliani - Trump's lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P75 - Unknown[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]P76 - Sidney Powell - Trump's lawyer[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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