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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

French Rage said:
And thinking some more, is someone really going to vote for a ticket just because the VP is from the same exact state? I've never been anything close to an undecided voter in a POTUS election, so I guess I don't know what really makes up one's mind in those elections. Do people magically think every problem will be solved because someone is within their state boundary?

Don't get me wrong, I could see it working regionally. If you're from Iowa and the POTUS/VP for a ticket are NY and CA, you're probably going to feel that it's a coastal elite ticket that doesn't care about you. But does the VP then need to be specifically from Iowa to win you over, or just somewhere in that vicinity, as long as it's not a liberal coastal state, for you to feel that the ticket might represent you in some manner? Would someone from ND not think someone from SD has anything in common with them? Is it that specific?

If it's more of a regional pick, then MN is about as solid and wholesome as you can get. If you're outside of Philly or Pittsburgh in PA and want something more middle America than Kamala on the ticket to assure you, wouldn't the plain-spoken MN gov be a pretty good asset? Does it really need to be your own PA gov to assuage you?
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I only mention Philly, because if Shapiro has a 60% approval rating, then there is likely some people who are a bit disappointed by their guy getting passed over. Shapiro needs to make sure they get out and vote for Harris. That's all.

As for the rest, I find Walz a nice attempt to try and give white, rural Democrats a person they can resonate with. I don't think he moves the needle much, but if you can get the rural margins to 45/55 instead of 40/60 then it is a clear win, assuming the cities come out like they did in 2020.
 
Handyman said:
And Frey has no ill will...was on MSNBC this morning talking him up. Frey blinked on night 1 and he knows it.

Here is the thing when it comes down to it...Harris needs the Biden Coalition to hold. Tim is a younger Joe Biden who is liked by virtually all the same people. (Check his numbers versus Bidens in Minnesota...virtually identical) Combine that with the new/returning voters Harris is bringing in and you are in a good place. And you do it without any baggage.

Plus, while the Right is painting him "Left Radical" (hah!) much of the Left and media is painting him as Centrist. If he shifts the Overton Window to the point that Minnesota policies are "The Center" this country is going to prosper for a long time.
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MAGA has managed to get "Tampon Tim" and "Make America Burn Again" trending for a bit on Twitter...and if that's the best they've got...
 
Bronco said:
I only mention Philly, because if Shapiro has a 60% approval rating, then there is likely some people who are a bit disappointed by their guy getting passed over. Shapiro needs to make sure they get out and vote for Harris. That's all.

As for the rest, I find Walz a nice attempt to try and give white, rural Democrats a person they can resonate with. I don't think he moves the needle much, but if you can get the rural margins to 45/55 instead of 40/60 then it is a clear win, assuming the cities come out like they did in 2020.
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See that is what I have been saying today...The Dems aren't young to win rural voters. Not yet. But if he can help them overperform there in a small amount it will be devastating to Trump. He has to dominate the small districts more than he did in 2020 or he is toast. If this just let's Harris hold tight or even cut it a percentage point he just doesn't have the numbers to make it up. Harris is going to crush in the suburbs and cities and Trump already lost once in a close race where he dominated rural. He has yo improve or die.

As for whether Veeps help in their home states Nate Silver (insert gag here) estimates it can help .5 - 2% depending.
 
Ironically, seeing some reporters confirm that Shapiros seemingly ambitious agenda of his own is what put Harris off- and it was confirmed Friday when the Philly mayor released the hype video that many mistook for announcement

turns out Shapiro wasn’t involved with that video
 
French Rage said:
I've never been anything close to an undecided voter in a POTUS election
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I wrote-in a TV character's name as a joke in 2012. I wouldn't do it again, but at the time I was about a year and a half into a job that barely paid squat and I had been forced to move back in with my parents after college. Yeah, I was frustrated.
 
This thread is moving way faster than I can keep up, so I'm not going to backread.


But we got our guy. I am happy with the choice and relieved that the ridiculous search party is over. I look forward to the campaign now, and hope the right side wins.
 
BTW tonight's rally is at the same place Trump couldn't sell out a few weeks ago. People have been in line since 530am this morning. One dude got there at 3!

Should be a completely different look.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Ironically, seeing some reporters confirm that Shapiros seemingly ambitious agenda of his own is what put Harris off- and it was confirmed Friday when the Philly mayor released the hype video that many mistook for announcement

turns out Shapiro wasn’t involved with that video
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It probably didn't help that Senator Fetterman warned against him.
 
Saw this on Threads:

"This election is basically America's Fun Aunt and Fun Dad vs. A Convicted Felon and Your Weird Cousin".

10/10 no notes :)
 
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