2024 Election Thread

[Chuck Murray]

Why oh why would he switch if he was such a shoe-in to defeat weak ole Biden? Seems like an odd choice for him since as you said he would have won over 50% with his eyes closed. It will be interesting (and FUN) to see how you spin this.

Because the Democrat Socialist Party rendered the NH Primary as meaningless this time around, is the simple answer.

Your logic appears to be that despite the national party treating RFK Jr. like a pariah, he should have kept his party affiliation as D just to win the grand total of zero (0) delegates that he would have gotten from winning the NH Primary, where it was becoming increasingly apparent that the DNC powers-that-be were/continue to be totally copacetic with letting a demented empty vessel be the Trojan Horse for their far-left policies?

If RFK Jr. did remain in the Democrat party for the NH Primary, he absolutely still would have won, for two reasons: one, some guy named Dean Phillips won 20% of the vote despite zero name recognition, and against an organized write-in campaign ... and two, that write-in campaign was never gonna happen against Kennedy, but emerged late when they realized Phillips was still a nobody and beatable. Southern NH is loaded with Mass-hole transplants, and the Kennedy name still has some political currency in parts of New England.

Kennedy, in his earnest yet delusional thinking, still believes he has a chance to become President in November 2024. He determined (correctly) that was never gonna happen in what used to be the party his family led for a good chunk of the second half of the 20th century. So he decided to change his affiliation, and gave up nothing more than a symbolic victory (and no delegates) for winning in NH against a very weak field. He went from a 0.0001% chance of getting the DNC nomination, to a 0.01% chance of winning the national election as an Independent. In short ...

 

[French Rage]

Odd, it seems to me like Democratic Party had already made its changes to its primary schedule last fall you made your hilariously awful prediction. Making such a ludicrous prediction about how strong RFK Jr was and how weak Biden was, and then having the very basis for it fall apart almost immediately when even RFK Jr realized how weak he actually was, isn't an excuse, it's a perfect illustration of how stupid the prediction was to make in the first place, but then I guess you can't expect a rose to grow out of a trash heap.

 

[Handyman]

Plus, both houses of Congress have already determined that Trump incited an insurrection.

But they didn't bar him from running...which they could have easily done if they truly thought that. They made speeches but the Senate made this inevitable.

You guys aren't living in the real world...you sound like my students who swear Communism can work. I doubt any SC would have taken the leap needed to keep him off the ballot especially when all that was being argued anyways was whether one state could do that. Maybe they could have been pressured into it by multiple states taking up this cause (especially if it was other states GOPs) but that wasn't happening. One Republican Party in one rather inconsequential state is doing it...and only for a friggin Primary. (which is why the SC would have been smart to let it happen but these clowns are idiots) At best you were going to get a states rights win followed by "we will investigate this matter again when his trial for the matter is decided" which of course won't matter since it will be after the election most likely. (meaning either he lost so who cares or he won so we are screwed and he will ignore it)

The SC, especially this one, was never going to be the saving grace. We needed Congress for that and the GOP in Congress was never going to let that happen.

 

[rufus]

Odd, it seems to me like Democratic Party had already made its changes to its primary schedule last fall you made your hilariously awful prediction. Making such a ludicrous prediction about how strong RFK Jr was and how weak Biden was, and then having the very basis for it fall apart almost immediately when even RFK Jr realized how weak he actually was, isn't an excuse, it's a perfect illustration of how stupid the prediction was to make in the first place, but then I guess you can't expect a rose to grow out of a trash heap.

I'm taking it that this, and your continued quoting of a certain line, are directed at a certain poster who I may have blocked?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

But they didn't bar him from running...which they could have easily done if they truly thought that. They made speeches but the Senate made this inevitable.

You guys aren't living in the real world...you sound like my students who swear Communism can work. I doubt any SC would have taken the leap needed to keep him off the ballot especially when all that was being argued anyways was whether one state could do that. Maybe they could have been pressured into it by multiple states taking up this cause (especially if it was other states GOPs) but that wasn't happening. One Republican Party in one rather inconsequential state is doing it...and only for a friggin Primary. (which is why the SC would have been smart to let it happen but these clowns are idiots) At best you were going to get a states rights win followed by "we will investigate this matter again when his trial for the matter is decided" which of course won't matter since it will be after the election most likely. (meaning either he lost so who cares or he won so we are screwed and he will ignore it)

The SC, especially this one, was never going to be the saving grace. We needed Congress for that and the GOP in Congress was never going to let that happen.

It's amazing how the Constitution is a living document despite all the idiots who said it wasn't. And most of those IDIOTS are on the Court right now.

 

[Kepler]

If the last 8 years have taught us anything it's that there is no standard which will take care of itself, and which is a floor to stand on and make assumptions from. Politics is fluid. Perception is social reality. Under no circumstances, given what we thought we knew about American politics prior to 2016, could Dump have become President. The lesson is that it is not just norms which are defined by a given time period's willingness to entertain ideas, it's the limits of politics itself. Anyone who confidently asserts "X can't happen" has not been paying attention.

All that is required is a sufficient number of people believing in something just long enough. The electorate is capable of literally anything. There might possibly be a highest bound, but there is no lowest bound. Dump could announce he will open death camps, and Fox would report on it approvingly, his supporters would rally behind it, and liberal media would write tepid think pieces about it.

It's not that it can happen here. It is. This is what that looks like, American style.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Odd, it seems to me like Democratic Party had already made its changes to its primary schedule last fall you made your hilariously awful prediction. Making such a ludicrous prediction about how strong RFK Jr was and how weak Biden was, and then having the very basis for it fall apart almost immediately when even RFK Jr realized how weak he actually was, isn't an excuse, it's a perfect illustration of how stupid the prediction was to make in the first place, but then I guess you can't expect a rose to grow out of a trash heap.

Frenchy, my only miscalculation was not realizing the DNC would continue to rig their own primary process, but this time at the expense of an iconic name out of your party's recent past. Magoo and his Deep State refusing to give RFK Jr. the requisite protections afforded to presidential candidates was a nice totalitarian touch to make sure the message was received, loud and clear. So the party that sidetracked Bernie Sanders in 2016 in favor of Ms. Bubba, and then did the same to Sanders again in 2020 in favor of Mr. Magoo and his pliable demented vapidity, I guess it's not terribly surprising they'd have kneecapped RFK Jr. before he had a chance to embarrass Magoo in the NH Primary. Let's face it, the reason the DNC skipped NH this time around was because Magoo has performed so poorly in NH in the past (5th in '20).

Dean Phillips - I repeat, DEAN PHILLIPS - received 20% of the (D) vote in NH last month. The most recent ABC News poll says 73% of Dems think Biden is too old to run, and that moves up to 86% overall if independents and GOP voters are included. That RFK Jr. would have won NH, and the DNC wouldn't have risked the embarrassment of a losing write-in campaign in NH that only began weeks after RFK Jr. switched his (D) for (I), are foregone conclusions here - you are free to ask any NH (D) voters who've been here for more than two weeks - I have.

But politics is politics, and in the end, I was wrong and underestimated how much the DNC actually DID care about the NH results. I'd say you were right, but I don't recall you airing any pre-primary predictions of your own - and certainly none that were prior to RFK's realignment decision?

 

[French Rage]

Frink: Yes, over here, n'hey, n'hey. In episode BF12, you were battling barbarians while riding a winged Appaloosa, yet in the very next scene, my dear, you're clearly atop a winged Arabian. Please do explain it. Last September you predicted RFK Jr winning over 50% as part of a series of Biden defeats that would eventually lead to him not even getting the nomination, yet even he realized he had so little support that he withdrew months ahead.
Lawless: Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it. DNC rigged it.
Frink: I see, all right, yes, but in episode AG4 2020 --
Lawless: Wizard. DNC.
Frink: [under breath] Aw, for glaven out loud.

(Damn board software not allowing strikethrough markup.)

 

[jericho]

NY-3 flips back to Dems as Suozzi regains the seat.

 

[RENCEB]

NY-3 flips back to Dems as Suozzi regains the seat.

Nice to get a bit of good news these days.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Well thank god Mikey got impeachment vote done before the new dem is sworn in

 

[Handyman]

Nice to get a bit of good news these days.

There is plenty of good news...just because corporate media ignores didn't make it untrue.

Outside of Mayorkas and the Impeachment that didn't matter what have the GOP won exactly?

I'm sure this win is bad for Biden somehow.

 

[Bronco]

There is plenty of good news...just because corporate media ignores didn't make it untrue.

Outside of Mayorkas and the Impeachment that didn't matter what have the GOP won exactly?

I'm sure this win is bad for Biden somehow.

The Dems get another House seat and can't do anything! Here in a diner in Ohio people are asking many more do they really need?
-NT Times, likely

 

[Handyman]

https://www.threads.net/@tristansnell/post/C3UAZnBAKLb/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

RESULTS, not polls:
- Midterms
- Virginia legislature
- Michigan legislature
- Pennsylvania legislature
- Wisconsin Supreme Court
- Kansas votes for reproductive rights
- Ohio votes for reproductive rights and cannabis
- NY suburbs vote to flip Santos #NY03 seat to Dems

But the media will still be surprised because they bought the polling showing it much closer in NY-3. Polling had it 48-44 Souzzi with 7 percent undecided. Either every undecided broke Dem or whoever did the poll did a pizz poor job of it.

 

[LynahFan]

I, for one, am shocked - SHOCKED - that after all their xenophobic, racist, and misogynistic rhetoric, GOP voters didn’t pivot and show enthusiasm for a foreign, dark-skinned, woman. So puzzling.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The Dems get another House seat and can't do anything! Here in a diner in Ohio people are asking many more do they really need?
-NT Times, likely

Joe Biden is old, so Democrats must consider voting for the candidate swearing revenge and proposing mass deportations

-Politico, undoubtedly

 

[Kepler]

The fearmongering on Fox is amazingly effective. There was a clip on Colbert of a nice old voter in the NY House district saying crime is the most important thing. Great Neck is a rich leafy suburb with the diversity of Salt Lake City, and this lady thinks Biggie is coming for her Peppermint Bark.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Joe Biden is old, so Democrats must consider voting for the candidate swearing revenge and proposing mass deportations

-Politico, undoubtedly

Unfortunately, you hear this from a growingly vocal contingent within the left as well.

 

[RaceBoarder]

Part of it is that we are in the middle of a significant "generational" change (and yes, I know Kep hates that term). But we basically have a majority of the population that grew up with "technology" and they view those that didn't in a negative light.

Politics aside, this has significant implications as to how those in power are viewed.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

The fearmongering on Fox is amazingly effective. There was a clip on Colbert of a nice old voter in the NY House district saying crime is the most important thing. Great Neck is a rich leafy suburb with the diversity of Salt Lake City, and this lady thinks Biggie is coming for her Peppermint Bark.

I live in a well-off suburb with a lot of older people. "Crime" here typically tops out at petty neighbor drama. Anyone from the burbs who says their top concern is crime, or says things like "What is happening to this country?!", I just assume has fallen down the RWNJ media rabbit hole and is huffing Tucker's farts.