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2024 Election Thread
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Was this a one person debate for the SC primary?
those people should have learned their lesson the first time…..
And a fear-mongering liar who needs to be challenged by the media for saying “We’ve got an economy in shambles and inflation that’s out of control.” Make her own that claim in the face of a mountain of economic facts that say the opposite.
Never been better https://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2023/20231107
My wife is far left and even she thinks the economy sucks.
French Rage
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"Sure you're giving me GDP growth and low unemployment but how come I don't got infinite money?!"
And that is what Joe needs to run on: I’ve given you the greatest economy EVER and you’re doing a **** job managing your finances.
My personal opinion is folks don’t have a lot of good options right now when it comes to housing, cars, food, insurance, utilities, etc. It is in no way Biden’s fault but telling people things are great when they aren’t isn’t the way to go.
French Rage
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Biden did such a bad job that the inflation is all his fault but the fact the inflation was better than every other developed country is not to his credit.
rufus
rock and roller
When have things ever been 'great'?
And who's telling you things are 'great'? Is that what you hear when someone refers to the actual fact that the stock market is setting record highs, and unemployment record lows?
What do you mean, 'good options'? You mean those things cost money? Who knew? What, you just want to be given these things? Commie socialist.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Yea, things are great for households who are making $100k plus...
But reality is that in my part of the Chicago area, one used to be able to get by alone on about $42k somewhat comfortably. This was in 2018/19. Now in 2024, that number has crept up to about $50k or so.
IDGAF about the GDP when I'm staring at a grocery bill that has gone from $45-50/week to up around $100. Again, it's all corporate greed that is driving this.
This is the problem... This is starting to sound like "Trickle Down 2.0"... Someone needs to start explaining this in crayon before the D's burn some bridges that they really can't afford to lose.
But reality is that in my part of the Chicago area, one used to be able to get by alone on about $42k somewhat comfortably. This was in 2018/19. Now in 2024, that number has crept up to about $50k or so.
IDGAF about the GDP when I'm staring at a grocery bill that has gone from $45-50/week to up around $100. Again, it's all corporate greed that is driving this.
This is the problem... This is starting to sound like "Trickle Down 2.0"... Someone needs to start explaining this in crayon before the D's burn some bridges that they really can't afford to lose.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
It may be true that the economy has been proofed by conservatives so that the middle and lower class can no longer flourish. Reagan started the process of creating a permanent starving class to exploit for labor, and the Right may finally have gotten its way, and no measure or reform can penetrate that wall. If so -- if economic expansion has been walled off permanently from the majority of citizens -- that is how 1789s happen. And both the Dems and the Republicans' heads will be on the stakes, along with everyone with money and everyone who had any power while this was being done.
I know the dummies who will riot are the very same dummies who voted for it, and but that won't matter. Today's Jake Cade mean mean stride doesn't care who created Neo-feudalism, only that it must be razed.
I suspect everyone on the Cafe goes down, like Cambodians with glasses.
I know the dummies who will riot are the very same dummies who voted for it, and but that won't matter. Today's Jake Cade mean mean stride doesn't care who created Neo-feudalism, only that it must be razed.
I suspect everyone on the Cafe goes down, like Cambodians with glasses.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
And how can the Dems explain it any better than they have? Sorry but why was it 5 years ago all anyone cared about in the economy was the market, inflation and unemployment and now those are at ridiculous levels that isn't what anyone cares about?
It's not just corporate greed btw...consumer greed plays in a well. People buying things they don't need on credit and upgrading every chance they get.
We have spent 40 years destroying the Middle Class that took decades to build (often by the actions of the Middle Class acting against their own interests) and now the Dems are fixing it but they are being punished for not doing it fast enough? Sounds about right for this selfish azz country.
If people vote against Biden because of Inflation i rank it up there with Muslims voting against him over Israel or anyone due to his age. Next time you gane a complaint don't call me I will call you. I'm sure prices will drop under the GOP...and wages for sure will go up!
Maybe I should take the tact some do with abortion in Red States...if you can't live on your wage move or get a new job! (No I don't mean that)
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Exactly. Finances for everyone who’s not objectively rich would get much worse under gop. But people are too stupid to get that.
it’s understandable to feel frustrated about what is going on- but slamming Biden for it is ridiculous (no one here is)
it’s understandable to feel frustrated about what is going on- but slamming Biden for it is ridiculous (no one here is)
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Look, I'm aware of the circumstances that are causing the issue. The problem is that no one is speaking directly to the people that are currently hurting the economy. No regulations are being put in place to limit the corporate rape that is occurring. If you price people out of your game, eventually the bubble goes pop. Actively show that you're trying to help these people. Pass legislation that will help someone who is forced to buy food that is about to go out of date cause it's at a discount. Do something to allow people to put away part of their paycheck instead of needing to spend it all on essentials every week. Don't just say that the economy is doing great and point to Globex Corp. making $Texas as a reason for that.
You can't have people being able to afford X, Y, and Z and not expect them to get angry when they have those extra luxuries taken away.
It's like when pro sports teams price people out of the arena and then wonder why they can't build relationships with younger consumers who never had the experience of seeing a game live.
Running on a "lesser of two evils" strategy is NOT a long term winner.
You can't have people being able to afford X, Y, and Z and not expect them to get angry when they have those extra luxuries taken away.
It's like when pro sports teams price people out of the arena and then wonder why they can't build relationships with younger consumers who never had the experience of seeing a game live.
Running on a "lesser of two evils" strategy is NOT a long term winner.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Separate tangent here:
This has a lot to do with society. You have an entire generation that was told that if you rent outside of a major city, you're a loser. If you have a car that keeps falling apart, you're a loser. If you don't take vacations, you're a loser.
Society stigmatizes people not having money to burn. Because a generation of people realize they're effed on having a retirement fund, they have instead opted to "live in the moment" and enjoy some life experiences instead. You choose to have some fun now, cause when you're older w/o medical coverage and living off of ramen noodles, you're not gonna be able to do so.
This is another social norm that Boomers instilled here in the US and it's killing the middle class.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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They can do a better job messaging, no doubt. Why his staff didn’t have him out in Dearborn trying to listen to people woulda been a nice idea too
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
You want regulations...take back the House and hold the Senate. Biden can't just unilaterally impose regulations otherwise my student loans wouldn't exist.
You are basically blaming the coach for decisions the GM made.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Exactly what I was getting at. The Boomers taught us to spend like there will never be a rainy day...the check never comes due. This is what happens when you live long enough yo see it. That is why I hear friends of my parents whining about social security not covering their needs after 30 years of whining about taxes.
You want to know the real cause of all this...things are finally catching up. The government and businesses artificially kept wages below liveable and spent without taxing. Everyone whined they didn't like taxes so instead of sensible tax rates (like say the Clinton Rates) they are ridiculously low while spending never goes down. It was bad enough when the government just did it but half this country does.
Imagine how bad it would get if things cost what they really should. How expensive would a cellphone or other tech be without Asian Slave Labor?
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