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2021 Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award
- Thread starter Lurky McLurkface
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Unfortunately it's a season award not a 3 random games award
Only 2 of the games Watts played against MN counted? Or did 3 and the 1 against NE does count? Anyway, ZumBoom is not a factor, it's Watts vs the Sieve. Watts played more games against ranked opponents during the regular season than her competitor from the east. It's going to Frankel, I'm just getting myself hyped up for the rebuttal.
Offsides Guy
Active member
Could they possibly give it to Zum as a career recognition without coming out and saying that? Has that ever happened before? If they truly focus on this season, then Zum’s out.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
March 11th
Thanks. So after conference tourneys. Kind of coin toss by the end in terms of who is more deserving. An Eastern player won it in 19 (by my definition of East). So maybe it goes west this year, but do the voters want a 2 time champ, who spurned the East and went west. Drama!
The fitting end in 2021 would be for Zumwinkle to win it.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Yes, when Coyne beat ARD in 2016. ARD had historically great numbers, but Coyne still won. IMHO Coyne and Zum are not in the same stratosphere.
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Minnesota has something that has a couple of highlights of Zoom Boom...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YH5_0Oz5o
A couple of other things as well
Last year stuff...https://www.facebook.com/GophersAll...e-2019-20-season-highlights/2593057854288198/
Current Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQIV_g2aG20
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I was on the committee in 2016. The discussion wasn't at all about Coyne's career as a whole. It was that she was the most electrifying player in the game that year. It basically came down to Coyne or Carpenter, who had won the season before and was now the best player on a team with a perfect record. While Carpenter received a lot of help, Coyne did not. So the consensus of the Eastern coaches, and there were a few, was that Coyne was more deserving. And Carpenter had just won, and coaches like to spread recognition around.
I think that had Hannah Brandt been healthy that year, maybe she would have gotten a "career" boost. She was top 10 as a rookie and top three the next two years, and helped her team to the final all three years. But she wasn't healthy as a senior, her numbers dropped, so she wasn't in range of Coyne and Carpenter.
Desbiens was a junior up against worthy seniors. Also, a player from the West is typically at a disadvantage in that the East coaches on the panel get fewer chances to watch them in person. When Desbiens' turn came up, a couple of West coaches and I said that she was more than just the latest UW goalie who stood in the crease while her team dominated the game in front of her, but there wasn't the weight of support that Coyne had. The next year, Desbiens had set a bunch of career records, the senior forwards from the year before were now gone, so she was an obvious frontrunner.
Zumwinkle won't win over Watts because Minnesota's season was a disappointment. Even though it isn't an MVP award, that matters. Had their seasons been comparable as teams, then maybe Zum gets more WCHA support based on league longevity and having a skillset that will make her a threat at any level.
I think that a lot of it will come down to how Frankel is viewed in the East. Has she had good timing and she came along as Northeastern started to dominate HEA, or is she the primary reason that Northeastern now dominates HEA? It's different than Watts, who came to a championship team that was going to be a contender with or without her.
Offsides Guy
Active member
Perhaps it’s unfair to Zumwinkle but her team was already a 6time NCAA champion when she arrived there, whereas Frankel helped her team
get to new heights (Championship game), depending on how you assess who gets the credit for that team’s ascent. A number of great players descended on NU at once, one might argue, perhaps that is part of Coyne’s legacy.
If moving the needle on where the program is now relative to where it was when you got there is relevant to voters, Frankel has edge.
get to new heights (Championship game), depending on how you assess who gets the credit for that team’s ascent. A number of great players descended on NU at once, one might argue, perhaps that is part of Coyne’s legacy.
If moving the needle on where the program is now relative to where it was when you got there is relevant to voters, Frankel has edge.
TitleIXHockey
Golden Knight
I still think that all the cases that can be made for Zumwinkle can be made better for Lonergan, but Lonergan isn't a finalist so...
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Zum didn't get the help Watts did, but I think she got more help than Coyne did in 2016. Anyway, it likely comes down to how Watts decision to transfer is viewed, and how that plays in the leadership column. It isn't a case like Chanda Gunn leaving back in the day, where UW had kind of moved on and left her with little choice but to look elsewhere. That helped with the Kaz committee more than hurt her.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
It's hard for a program to win three straight, especially if the program is in decline in the third year. As friendly as the Kaz was to Harvard, even the Crimson never took three straight. Between that and missing games, it was always going to be an uphill climb for Lonergan.
Offsides Guy
Active member
I just don’t see Frankel getting the GOY and PK awards. I think they’ll spread things around.
TitleIXHockey
Golden Knight
For sure, I think Lonergan had the 3rd best case at best, just a bit ahead of Zumwinkle imo. Without a similar gap between the top forwards and everyone else, as in 2016 when Coyne won over Desbiens, hard to see anyone but Frankel winning, especially with the votes going in pre-tournament.
Although re: Coyne vs. Carpenter (+Skarupa), Denisa Křížová was a lot better than people seem to remember I think.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
You're right, although I'm not sure what the character set gyrations did to the poor woman's surname. Anyway, that BC team had a bunch of national team kids, like 70 of them, if TTT is to be believed, which of course, he isn't.
TitleIXHockey
Golden Knight
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
So ARD had no chance after a totally historically dominant year and the eastern bias on the PK reigns supreme since 2014. Based on this, Watts has even less of a chance than I thought since the coaches "like to spread it around". I actually think ZumBoom has a better chance than Watts now. My respect for the the award is crumbling.