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2020 Democratic Challengers

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Ok, I'll pose this to people who follow politics much more closely than I do. We're missing a name. What about Rahm Emmanuel? Has the name, the association with Obama, and the executive experience. Does the very high murder rate in Chicago disqualify him?
 
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jericho said:
Ok, I'll pose this to people who follow politics much more closely than I do. We're missing a name. What about Rahm Emmanuel? Has the name, the association with Obama, and the executive experience. Does the very high murder rate in Chicago disqualify him?
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No, he's DQ'ed because he is Rahm Emmanuel. His mismanagement of Chicago goes far beyond his inability to put a lid on the gang violence.
 
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Ok, I'll pose this to people who follow politics much more closely than I do. We're missing a name. What about Rahm Emmanuel? Has the name, the association with Obama, and the executive experience. Does the very high murder rate in Chicago disqualify him?
 
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jericho said:
Ok, I'll pose this to people who follow politics much more closely than I do. We're missing a name. What about Rahm Emmanuel? Has the name, the association with Obama, and the executive experience. Does the very high murder rate in Chicago disqualify him?
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The fact that most people in Chicago hate him disqualifies him.
 
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unofan said:
Honestly, my favorite right now would be Franken. I know he's not running, especially if what's her name runs (the other MN senator), but good lord. Ivy League education and takes government seriously but could absolutely smoke Trump in the debates with his wits.
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I'm in the same boat. I love Al but I would just hate to see him move from a legislative position which he's awesome at to an impotent executive position.
 
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unofan said:
Honestly, my favorite right now would be Franken. I know he's not running, especially if what's her name runs (the other MN senator), but good lord. Ivy League education and takes government seriously but could absolutely smoke Trump in the debates with his wits.
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If debates mattered, we'd have President Hillary.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
If debates mattered, we'd have President Hillary.
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If substance mattered, we'd have Clinton. Franken, like Obama, is intelligent but more importantly has the charisma to just smack the Donald around in a debate floor in a way Clinton never could. Not just on substance, but style.
 
Handyman said:
And Black voters 30 and over overwhelmingly went to Hillary. So 30 is now considered old? In 3 of the 4 age groupings Hillary trounced him. (70% was the worst she did and that was 30-44)

And the small demographic you are talking about made up 3% of the electorate and he barely held any lead. (in fact I would assume that is close to the margin for error)

So I guess you are correct in that the youngest voters were pretty split. (52-47 Sanders) The problem is they represent the lowest amount of voting Black people. So factually Bernie is going to have a serious problem with the Black vote. (which is what I said that started this) He will get trounced because it isnt like the 30 and up crowd will just decide to not vote this time around and the 17-29 year olds arent going to be enough to offset it. Unless he plans to go by way of the Trump method (win all the Whites) he just doesnt have the demographic support to be anywhere close to a true frontrunner no matter his age. No one can win the Dem nomination without the support of the minorities.
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All I'm saying is that over 30 isn't young voters by any stretch and that they did on average vote more for Bernie. I'm not looking to relitigate the primary or go into the differences between the DNC primary and a general election again.

The only thing I will say is that I don't think Bernie's lack of success is an indictment of his policies so much as the campaign he ran and the fact that he's older than Father Time.
 
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Hey I was a Bernie Bro before it was cool...his issues werent with his policies it was other factors. Bernie is a great idea man but he lacks the plan to back them up. If this was a TV show he comes up with the outline while the writers create the actual script.
 
trixR4kids said:
Well ya see the system works because the rural voters won!
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Point made. The Ds have been the darlings of the liberal sophisticated that inhabit cities and, it appears, chat rooms.

They've lost (or ignored or belittled) the Average Joes.

It didn't used to be that way.

The GOP, on the other hand, fawns all over the Average Joes during an election cycle, but then ignores them. That works for a while until the Joes figure it out and throw those ignoramuses out, put in the Ds for a cycle or two, and then put new GOP in who promise to love them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Why tD won? He played to the Average Joe, even though he is of the patrician class. FDR played the same playbook, though party discipline was better in those days and he rammed through a whole bunch of stuff, some good, some unconstitutional through Congress. The patricians of that time (republican in leanings) regarded FDR as some sort of kook and communist.

We've done a 180 in 84 years. We have a right leaning patrician in the WH and the liberal establishment regards him as a kook and a communist. The big difference is that party discipline has gone the way of the dodo and nothing gets done legislatively.
 
joecct said:
Point made. The Ds have been the darlings of the liberal sophisticated that inhabit cities and, it appears, chat rooms.

They've lost (or ignored or belittled) the Average Joes.

It didn't used to be that way.

The GOP, on the other hand, fawns all over the Average Joes during an election cycle, but then ignores them. That works for a while until the Joes figure it out and throw those ignoramuses out, put in the Ds for a cycle or two, and then put new GOP in who promise to love them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Why tD won? He played to the Average Joe, even though he is of the patrician class. FDR played the same playbook, though party discipline was better in those days and he rammed through a whole bunch of stuff, some good, some unconstitutional through Congress. The patricians of that time (republican in leanings) regarded FDR as some sort of kook and communist.

We've done a 180 in 84 years. We have a right leaning patrician in the WH and the liberal establishment regards him as a kook and a communist. The big difference is that party discipline has gone the way of the dodo and nothing gets done legislatively.
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The average Joe is a city dweller, Joe. This country is 80 percent urbanized. A senate and electoral college that values land more than people is what keeps the current GOP viable.
 
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joecct said:
Point made. The Ds have been the darlings of the liberal sophisticated that inhabit cities and, it appears, chat rooms.

They've lost (or ignored or belittled) the Average Joes.

It didn't used to be that way.

The GOP, on the other hand, fawns all over the Average Joes during an election cycle, but then ignores them. That works for a while until the Joes figure it out and throw those ignoramuses out, put in the Ds for a cycle or two, and then put new GOP in who promise to love them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Why tD won? He played to the Average Joe, even though he is of the patrician class. FDR played the same playbook, though party discipline was better in those days and he rammed through a whole bunch of stuff, some good, some unconstitutional through Congress. The patricians of that time (republican in leanings) regarded FDR as some sort of kook and communist.

We've done a 180 in 84 years. We have a right leaning patrician in the WH and the liberal establishment regards him as a kook and a communist. The big difference is that party discipline has gone the way of the dodo and nothing gets done legislatively.
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How has it ignored them? The Dems are still the party of the laborer. The GOP has done such a great job at selling you on this. They pay lip service to them and then bend them over the table and **** them. You've bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
 
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The GOP, on the other hand, fawns all over the Average Joes during an election cycle, but then ignores them.
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Sadly I don't disagree with this part, Obama was one of the better liberal presidents and he basically did this with his economic policies.
dxmnkd316 said:
The Dems are still the party of the laborer.
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Lol!

The GOP is far worse about this don't get me wrong, it'd be a false equivalency of the highest magnitude to argue otherwise. But the dems aren't really doing anything for the working class/poor and haven't for a long time. Especially with minorities.
 
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