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2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
Well, when the left stayed home because they didn't think Trump was too far to the right (or they didn't think he had a chance of winning)...
Just sayin'.
Win the middle, and you win the election. That's my opinion.
Well, when the left stayed home because they didn't think Trump was too far to the right (or they didn't think he had a chance of winning)...
Just sayin'.
Win the middle, and you win the election. That's my opinion.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
That doesnt make any sense. The left stayed home because Hillary was too far center it had nothing to do with Trump. They didnt want another Wall Street Dem...
If the middle is truly "middle" they will stay home either way. Trump is not the middle and neither will any of the Dem candidates be. If the middle chooses Trump over the Left they arent the middle. Even better if they choose to stay home knowing that will re-elect a far right loonjob they REALLY arent the middle they are just a bunch sympathizers turning a blind eye. They would be no better than the "Good Little Germans".
As Rush said "if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice".
The middle needs to sack up already and make a choice. Sitting on the fence doesnt make them smart and it certainly doesnt make them discerning...it makes them weak willed ignorant frauds. I hope neither party placates them ever.
That doesnt make any sense. The left stayed home because Hillary was too far center it had nothing to do with Trump. They didnt want another Wall Street Dem...
If the middle is truly "middle" they will stay home either way. Trump is not the middle and neither will any of the Dem candidates be. If the middle chooses Trump over the Left they arent the middle. Even better if they choose to stay home knowing that will re-elect a far right loonjob they REALLY arent the middle they are just a bunch sympathizers turning a blind eye. They would be no better than the "Good Little Germans".
As Rush said "if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice".
The middle needs to sack up already and make a choice. Sitting on the fence doesnt make them smart and it certainly doesnt make them discerning...it makes them weak willed ignorant frauds. I hope neither party placates them ever.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
There is extreme left (AOC types) and extreme right types (MAGAs). The "middle" may be a mis-label. Let's call them non-extremists. Right now, if the Dems go AOC full throttle...that is too big a change. People fear change. Go incremental steps to the bigger goal. Hence, this next election, get a non-AOC type for the office. Work your way to the bigger goal, you know? Win through through the non-extremists, aka the "middle."
There is extreme left (AOC types) and extreme right types (MAGAs). The "middle" may be a mis-label. Let's call them non-extremists. Right now, if the Dems go AOC full throttle...that is too big a change. People fear change. Go incremental steps to the bigger goal. Hence, this next election, get a non-AOC type for the office. Work your way to the bigger goal, you know? Win through through the non-extremists, aka the "middle."
unofan
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If MAGA guys are extreme right, and yet their guy got elected, you're not really proving your point.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
I could not agree more. Hear hear.
I could not agree more. Hear hear.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
You do know that a lot of non-MAGAs voted for him, right? Why? Because he wasn't Hillary. That was the only reason. Those are the people that will swing the vote.
You do know that a lot of non-MAGAs voted for him, right? Why? Because he wasn't Hillary. That was the only reason. Those are the people that will swing the vote.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
And then lose the Bernie Bros and lose anyway. Or are you forgetting about the left that stayed home which was MORE than the centers that voted for Trump. A lot more.
And then lose the Bernie Bros and lose anyway. Or are you forgetting about the left that stayed home which was MORE than the centers that voted for Trump. A lot more.
unofan
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If a lot of non-MAGAs voted for Trump even though he's extreme right, that still doesn't support your theory that the middle won't support an extremist. Because they already did.
Why wouldn't they support an extreme left candidate because they aren't Trump if they supported Trump simply because he wasn't Hillary?
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
Cause tD isn’t hilly
Cause tD isn’t hilly
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
No. There was some of that but Trump didn't win - Hillary lost. She screwed up royally on many, many fronts and still garnered 3 million more votes. She simply didn't galvanize the Dem base in some key states, got cocky that a win was inevitable, and I believe a good chunk of Dem voters stayed home because they didn't think she could possibly lose. There's more to support that:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-third-of-them-black/?utm_term=.d838e74f2817
https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribenshahar/2016/11/17/the-non-voters-who-decided-the-election-trump-won-because-of-lower-democratic-turnout/#6c316d0e53ab
And that sure has heck didn't happen because she's too far left.
No. There was some of that but Trump didn't win - Hillary lost. She screwed up royally on many, many fronts and still garnered 3 million more votes. She simply didn't galvanize the Dem base in some key states, got cocky that a win was inevitable, and I believe a good chunk of Dem voters stayed home because they didn't think she could possibly lose. There's more to support that:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-third-of-them-black/?utm_term=.d838e74f2817
https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribenshahar/2016/11/17/the-non-voters-who-decided-the-election-trump-won-because-of-lower-democratic-turnout/#6c316d0e53ab
And that sure has heck didn't happen because she's too far left.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
This left vs moderate is playing right into the Putin/Trump ticket's hands. Dems lost in 2016 mostly due to an unprecedented foreign intelligence operation interfering with the US elections, and a political party (the GOP) perfectly willing to accept that help.
Whoever connects best with the electorate out of the 20 people running should be an acceptable nominee for the party. From Biden to Sanders and everyone in between (I'm excluding Shultz who has no prayer). The problem with the "everybody to the right of Mayor Pete or Bernie is a corporate sell-out" argument is that then you've just excluded everybody who's won a tough election in a swing state.
If Obama was really a conservative, like Bill Clinton, can somebody name me the last progressive to win a Presidential election?
Of all the so-called "swing states" that we're expecting in 2020 I know of only one darling of the left holding a Gov or Senate seat: Sherrod Brown who was elected in 2006. Otherwise, in FL, AZ, NC, OH, WI, MI, IA, PA - can someone name me a statewide winner in the current progressive mold? Because you need to win a few of these to capture the white house, right?
This left vs moderate is playing right into the Putin/Trump ticket's hands. Dems lost in 2016 mostly due to an unprecedented foreign intelligence operation interfering with the US elections, and a political party (the GOP) perfectly willing to accept that help.
Whoever connects best with the electorate out of the 20 people running should be an acceptable nominee for the party. From Biden to Sanders and everyone in between (I'm excluding Shultz who has no prayer). The problem with the "everybody to the right of Mayor Pete or Bernie is a corporate sell-out" argument is that then you've just excluded everybody who's won a tough election in a swing state.
If Obama was really a conservative, like Bill Clinton, can somebody name me the last progressive to win a Presidential election? Of all the so-called "swing states" that we're expecting in 2020 I know of only one darling of the left holding a Gov or Senate seat: Sherrod Brown who was elected in 2006. Otherwise, in FL, AZ, NC, OH, WI, MI, IA, PA - can someone name me a statewide winner in the current progressive mold? Because you need to win a few of these to capture the white house, right?
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trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
Everyone to the left of George Bush is far left when you read conservative facebook memes all day like he clearly does.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
The country had Clinton fatigue.
Trump benefited.
That simple.
The country had Clinton fatigue.
Trump benefited.
That simple.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
No. That's one of about 20 reasons she lost.. It's not that simple. If you look at the overall vote total that reason was one of the lesser ones.
No. That's one of about 20 reasons she lost.. It's not that simple. If you look at the overall vote total that reason was one of the lesser ones.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
But they didnt fear the Trump change? Sorry that doesnt fly man.
If they are willing to put an Right Extremist in office but not a Left than they arent the middle they are Right Wingers that fear anything left. Period end of story.
Look at what you are saying...you are trying to say that the non-extremists are willing to elect an extremist to stop the other extremists. And they did that in an election where the Left was running a Centrist (aka the Middle) so it makes even less sense because they should want to elect the Centrist to stop the Righty Extremist. That makes zero sense.
If people fear change to the point they cant see the better candidate or which candidate has their best interests at heart than they reap what they sow.
But they didnt fear the Trump change? Sorry that doesnt fly man.
If they are willing to put an Right Extremist in office but not a Left than they arent the middle they are Right Wingers that fear anything left. Period end of story.
Look at what you are saying...you are trying to say that the non-extremists are willing to elect an extremist to stop the other extremists. And they did that in an election where the Left was running a Centrist (aka the Middle) so it makes even less sense because they should want to elect the Centrist to stop the Righty Extremist. That makes zero sense.
If people fear change to the point they cant see the better candidate or which candidate has their best interests at heart than they reap what they sow.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
Hope so. When Dr. Mrs. gets out on the ledge I talk her back in by telling her only about 35% of the country is Dumpy. Another 10% is blind GOP so they'll also vote for him, but the reason he was put over the top was the non-trivial number of people who:
1) Hated Hillary so much they'd literally do anything to vote against her. That Eagles fan who ate sh-t? That was them voting for Dump.
2) Hated Hillary so much they stayed home rather than vote for her. Those people who don't vaccinate their kids to own the libs? That was them not voting for Hillary.
3) Will vote for whatever the latest novelty idiocy is because they like "disruptors," even though that is callow and bullsh-t. The equivalent of minarchists or incels. That was them voting for Dump and talking about "the swamp" and feeling smug. It's 2 years later and they still haven't been laid.
Well, none of those 3 groups are in play for Dump any more. The B-tch is stone dead so 1 and 2 are a No Op, and Dump is the establishment now, so 3 will run to somebody else to middle finger vote for. If The Rock ran a pure joke campaign he'd get all their votes and cost Dump any chance at re-election.
Hope so. When Dr. Mrs. gets out on the ledge I talk her back in by telling her only about 35% of the country is Dumpy. Another 10% is blind GOP so they'll also vote for him, but the reason he was put over the top was the non-trivial number of people who:
1) Hated Hillary so much they'd literally do anything to vote against her. That Eagles fan who ate sh-t? That was them voting for Dump.
2) Hated Hillary so much they stayed home rather than vote for her. Those people who don't vaccinate their kids to own the libs? That was them not voting for Hillary.
3) Will vote for whatever the latest novelty idiocy is because they like "disruptors," even though that is callow and bullsh-t. The equivalent of minarchists or incels. That was them voting for Dump and talking about "the swamp" and feeling smug. It's 2 years later and they still haven't been laid.
Well, none of those 3 groups are in play for Dump any more. The B-tch is stone dead so 1 and 2 are a No Op, and Dump is the establishment now, so 3 will run to somebody else to middle finger vote for. If The Rock ran a pure joke campaign he'd get all their votes and cost Dump any chance at re-election.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?
Says the guy who pillories the left at every opportunity.
Physician, heal thyself.
Says the guy who pillories the left at every opportunity.
Physician, heal thyself.
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