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2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

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Kepler said:
Hope so. When Dr. Mrs. gets out on the ledge I talk her back in by telling her only about 35% of the country is Dumpy. Another 10% is blind GOP so they'll also vote for him, but the reason he was put over the top was the non-trivial number of people who:

1) Hated Hillary so much they'd literally do anything to vote against her. That Eagles fan who ate sh-t? That was them voting for Dump.

2) Hated Hillary so much they stayed home rather than vote for her. Those people who don't vaccinate their kids to own the libs? That was them not voting for Hillary.

3) Will vote for whatever the latest novelty idiocy is because they like "disruptors," even though that is callow and bullsh-t. The equivalent of minarchists or incels. That was them voting for Dump and talking about "the swamp" and feeling smug. It's 2 years later and they still haven't been laid.

Well, none of those 3 groups are in play any more. The B-tch is stone dead so 1 and 2 are a No Op, and Dump is the establishment now, so 3 is going to figure out somebody else to vote for. If The Rock ran a pure joke campaign he'd get all their votes and cost Dump any chance at re-election.
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Nope. As the Congresswoman explained on Friday with Bill Maher there was a 4)th group that voted for him and it was the Group that felt abandoned by both parties. Most of the people that fit into that group are people that have watched the Democrats accomplish next to nothing since 1980 and wonder where the middle class has gone. The Congresswoman described Trump as their hail mary. He can't be any worse than what we've had kind of vote. Pure stupidity if you ask me, but some people think that way.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Nope. As the Congresswoman explained on Friday with Bill Maher there was a 4)th group that voted for him and it was the Group that felt abandoned by both parties. Most of the people that fit into that group are people that have watched the Democrats accomplish next to nothing since 1980 and wonder where the middle class has gone. The Congresswoman described Trump as their hail mary. He can't be any worse than what we've had kind of vote. Pure stupidity if you ask me, but some people think that way.
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This is true but those people's lives continue to get worse under Dump. Either we will put up a sincere liberal and get their votes, or we will put up a safe, tepid, Booker-Gilibrand style DLC trash bag and they'll stay home. But either way they're not going back to Castle Dumpenstein. They were the first Dumpies to see it was all false fronts and "this way to the egress" signs.
 
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Kepler said:
This is true but those people's lives continue to get worse under Dump. Either we will put up a sincere liberal and get their votes, or we will put up a safe, tepid, Booker-Gilibrand style DLC trash bag and they'll stay home. But either way they're not going back to the Castle Dumpystein. They were the first Dumpies to see it was all false fronts and "this way to the egress" signs.
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Hopefully that's true.
 
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Kepler said:
This is true but those people's lives continue to get worse under Dump. Either we will put up a sincere liberal and get their votes, or we will put up a safe, tepid, Booker-Gilibrand style DLC trash bag and they'll stay home. But either way they're not going back to Castle Dumpenstein. They were the first Dumpies to see it was all false fronts and "this way to the egress" signs.
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So...I'll ask again who was the last progressive to win a presidential election???

You were almost starting to make sense earlier too... ;)

Scoobs #4 and your #3 are the same thing. There were plenty of people who just wanted to shake things up who didn't actually believe in Chump or who didn't stop to consider that he just might be the raging racist a-hole that he plays on TV. Much like many people who voted for Brexit to teach the elites a lesson are now in "oh sh it" mode as the ramifications of that vote come home to roost.

Nothing is funnier than watching these people take it in the shorts. Elections are not reality TV. May that lesson finally take hold.
 
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Rover said:
So...I'll ask again who was the last progressive to win a presidential election???

You were almost starting to make sense earlier too... ;)

Scoobs #4 and your #3 are the same thing. There were plenty of people who just wanted to shake things up who didn't actually believe in Chump or who didn't stop to consider that he just might be the raging racist a-hole that he plays on TV. Much like many people who voted for Brexit to teach the elites a lesson are now in "oh sh it" mode as the ramifications of that vote come home to roost.

Nothing is funnier than watching these people take it in the shorts. Elections are not reality TV. May that lesson finally take hold.
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No, they are not the same thing.

Last progressive was FDR.
 
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Kepler said:
But either way they're not going back to Castle Dumpenstein. They were the first Dumpies to see it was all false fronts and "this way to the egress" signs.
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How many times does it need to be said we cannot assume anything about the next election? NPR had a story during their midday show from Boston that is reporting some polling data that shows trump's approval among young white males is growing, and at an alarming rate. If we sit around making all sorts of assumptions about this part of the electorate dying away and that part of the electorate seeing the error of their ways and another part of the electorate that will be staying home, we will lose again.

I did not come right out and predict a trump win last time, but I came about as close as anyone here. I think my most predictive comment was Clinton was one scandel, misstep or terrorist attack away from losing, and then we all saw the video of her being dragged into a van, apparently unconscious. I also correctly predicted trump would not only win Ohio, but he would triple the aggregate polling data about my state (consensus was trump was up by 3, he won by 8 points). And despite the fact I and others got mocked for it here, I am genuinely fearful trump may win again in 2020. It may be due to suppression and fraud (if he wins it likely WOULD be) but the fear is still there, although I am once again at this early stage hopeful that (insert Democratic primary winner name here) will win in November of 2020.

But there is a lot more work needed to be done than just hoping, or assuming over and over again that enough old white men are dying that the better candidate will win. That didn't happen in 2016 and it won't happen in 2020. Examples abound from the 2018 mid-terms that we moved in the right direction, but we moved in the right direction in 2006 and 2008 and look what happened in 2010 and 2014. The house turning in 2010 and the senate in 2014 are two of the most disastrous political outcomes in this country during my lifetime. They exacerbated what was already turning into a do-nothing or do-bad legislature into one that thwarted Obama in ways that will impact the world for generations to come. The federal judiciary and Supreme Courts are two stark and frightening examples. If we are going to hand even a functional world over to the next couple of generations, 2020 outcomes need to resemble 2018 outcomes. Assume nothing. Work your asses off. Vote a straight democratic ticket.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
So list your 20.
When you're done what you'll see is factor after factor leading to one thing: Clinton fatigue.
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Voter suppression cost her Wisconsin. Her decision to not campaign hard in Wisconsin cost her Wisconsin. Neither of those two have anything to do with Clinton fatigue. She also did not campaign hard enough in PA or MI and instead chose to campaign much harder in Ohio, a state she would ultimately lose in a vote that wasn't particularly close. Again, nothing to do with Clinton fatigue, unless you are talking about her fatigue as she battled whatever it was that was making her cough uncontrollably and pass out. All of her trips to Ohio should have been divided up in the other three states I mentioned. Had she won those three, the world would be a better place and we would not have a mentally ill, white supremacist idiot for a president. She lost Ohio by 454,000 votes. She lost the other three states by a total of 102,000 or so. She lost due to things that she could have controlled. Clinton fatigue was waaaaaay down on the list and would have only actually mattered had your party put forth an actual qualified candidate.
 
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

The Sicatoka said:
So list your 20.
When you're done what you'll see is factor after factor leading to one thing: Clinton fatigue.
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Nope. I've listed the 20 over the years one by one. Most of the time it's met with your simplistic argument, which frankly doesn't hold any water.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Voter suppression cost her Wisconsin. Her decision to not campaign hard in Wisconsin cost her Wisconsin. Neither of those two have anything to do with Clinton fatigue. She also did not campaign hard enough in PA or MI and instead chose to campaign much harder in Ohio, a state she would ultimately lose in a vote that wasn't particularly close. Again, nothing to do with Clinton fatigue, unless you are talking about her fatigue as she battled whatever it was that was making her cough uncontrollably and pass out. All of her trips to Ohio should have been divided up in the other three states I mentioned. Had she won those three, the world would be a better place and we would not have a mentally ill, white supremacist idiot for a president. She lost Ohio by 454,000 votes. She lost the other three states by a total of 102,000 or so. She lost due to things that she could have controlled. Clinton fatigue was waaaaaay down on the list and would have only actually mattered had your party put forth an actual qualified candidate.
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Yes, and she also lost to things she could not control. Unfortunately she was too hung up on the ones she couldn't.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Nope. I've listed the 20 over the years one by one. Most of the time it's met with your simplistic argument, which frankly doesn't hold any water.
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Trump was the most unlikable candidate in recent memory, yet he won. Why? People were done with the other option: Clinton fatigue.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Trump was the most unlikable candidate in recent memory, yet he won. Why? People were done with the other option: Clinton fatigue.
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Unlikeable to who? The Republican party hasn't loved anyone more since Reagan. They may even like him more than Reagan. Try again. Everyone that supports him or voted for him and haven't change their mind are in love with him. We see evidence of this every single day.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Nope. I've listed the 20 over the years one by one. Most of the time it's met with your simplistic argument, which frankly doesn't hold any water.
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It might not be Clinton fatigue but establishment or "politics as usual" fatigue. I think Trump did just enough to generate excitement among his base and those that were upset with our current political system which mostly just caters to oligarchs. She ran on a completely out of touch "America is already great!" platform where as he ran a faux populist campaign that blamed the browns and Obama for all of our problems, a platform which got his base excited and gullible people who thought he was going to work for the little guy.
 
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