2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Who ISN'T Running At This Point?

Didn't GM just close a couple plants in Ohio? I wonder if any of those workers who voted R regret their votes now. I'll bet at least half don't.

NPR has conducted countless interviews in Lordstown OH with GM workers who voted for trump. Almost all still support him and don't blame him. Frankly, neither do I. That plant was shutting down whether or not trump was president. But the bigger issue is they support him even though he's done nothing to help create an economy that actually works for the middle class. That they don't understand. I guess I am the fool because every day I am surprised by how many people fall for bluster and tough talk. It's sad, really. The republicans take advantage of stupid people. They're evil for doing so, but it doesn't make the stupid people they take advantage of not be stupid people.

 

[The Rube]

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You're backing one of the more conservative democrats who has zero chance of winning, boy that proved me wrong!

I think she has a chance. I really do. I don't think you can swing the pendulum from one extreme to another that quickly. Have to have a few steps in between, and she's one of those steps.

 

[unofan]

I think she has a chance. I really do. I don't think you can swing the pendulum from one extreme to another that quickly. Have to have a few steps in between, and she's one of those steps.

This country went from W to Obama to Trump. Of course it can swing that quickly. You just don't want it to because you're more conservative than most on this board.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I like Mayor Pete but I am not sure he is the guy because he is kind of boring...not to mention the stuff that will be used to attack him by the Right will be awful. The amount of hatred for LGBT will rise at a faster rate than it did for Blacks/Jews/Muslims when Trump got elected. Not to mention Mayor Pete went to Harvard and Oxford and worked in the media for a bit. He is literally everything that they hate.

Dont get me wrong Mayor Pete is bright and articulate and can speak circles around pretty much anyone on any issue but I just dont see him giving the stirring speech that becomes a call to arms. And I really dont want to see how ugly the attacks on him will be. And lets not forget, if Trump is the fight back for Obama what would the clap back be for a Gay Man.

His being gay doesn't particularly concern me re: the electorate. I really don't care what Cleetus thinks of him, he's going to think that of any other Democrat. Remember the Hillary/Huma lesbian relationship malarkey? Hell, most of them probably still think Obama was a closeted gay Muslim.

But you're right that he could be too intelligent for the average American voter.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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His being gay doesn't particularly concern me re: the electorate. I really don't care what Cleetus thinks of him, he's going to think that of any other Democrat. Remember the Hillary/Huma lesbian relationship malarkey? Hell, most of them probably still think Obama was a closeted gay Muslim.

But you're right that he could be too intelligent for the average American voter.

I went through a progression reading this post.

Sentence 1: uhhh
Sentence 2: Making the same mistake as last year, brilliant
Sentence 3/4: oh, right....




Sentence 5: maybe, but Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and Obama was Harvard Law Review editor (did I remember that one correctly?) That’s where I think the polish needs to come in. He’s new to the scene. He’ll figure it out. Just like Abrams, he has a future in national leadership.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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How would that be the same mistake? Cleetus is Cleetus. He's lost and is never voting for the modern Democratic Party.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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How would that be the same mistake? Cleetus is Cleetus. He's lost and is never voting for the modern Democratic Party.

It was a joke. I didn’t make it very well. I was agreeing with you.

Progression: “Dumb, dumb, dumb, ohhhh yeah. You’re right. Never mind”

 

[The Rube]

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This country went from W to Obama to Trump. Of course it can swing that quickly. You just don't want it to because you're more conservative than most on this board.

Obama wasn't that far to the left, IMO.

 

[Kepler]

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Mayor Pete was on Maher this week. I like him

He's fantastic. He's not even that liberal but I'd walk over coals for him.

 

[Kepler]

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So...I'll ask again who was the last progressive to win a presidential election???

The second-to-last one we nominated. And he won four times.

The way the 1% stop us from having real change in this country is not chiefly by buffaloing the Poors into voting against their own interests. The Poors, being ignorant, tend to always do that.

The way the 1% stop us from having real change in this country is by instilling a cringing fear in our own leaders. The best lack all conviction. So everyone with liberal instincts has also been saddled since childhood with the "mature," "informed" understanding that we can never push too hard for what is right. We can never have nice things.

The fact that this prevents any challenge to the vampires at the top of the pyramid is not a coincidence. These ideas you have about being careful and sensible come from somewhere. Looking at the actual electoral history of this nation, they don't come from there. When we actually give people a chance at a radical reformer, they often choose them. Look at Reagan. Hell, look at Dump.

"Not in the face!!!" got us here. It's time to realize you have been had. Unless, of course, your liberalism is just a cynical pose and what you actually want to do is kneecap progress from the inside and make sure you keep yours and the hell with everyone else. In that case, carry on.

 

[Rover]

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The second-to-last one we nominated. And he won four times.

The way the 1% stop us from having real change in this country is not chiefly by buffaloing the Poors into voting against their own interests. The Poors, being ignorant, tend to always do that.

The way the 1% stop us from having real change in this country is by instilling a cringing fear in our own leaders. The best lack all conviction. So everyone with liberal instincts has also been saddled since childhood with the "mature," "informed" understanding that we can never push too hard for what is right. We can never have nice things.

The fact that this prevents any challenge to the vampires at the top of the pyramid is not a coincidence. These ideas you have about being careful and sensible come from somewhere. Looking at the actual electoral history of this nation, they don't come from there. When we actually give people a chance at a radical reformer, they often choose them. Look at Reagan. Hell, look at Dump.

"Not in the face!!!" got us here. It's time to realize you have been had. Unless, of course, your liberalism is just a cynical pose and what you actually want to do is kneecap progress from the inside and make sure you keep yours and the hell with everyone else. In that case, carry on.

So progressives in the Kepler approved mold have lost every Presidential election since 1944.....but you think NEXT year will be different???

Okay...

Curious who didn't make the cut as the last progressive nominated. Who did you include? Adlai Stevenson? Hubert Humphrey? George McGovern? Walter Mondale? Mike Dukakis??? Obama? FLAMING CONSERVATIVES, ALL OF 'EM (except for one, apparently).

You are Bob Gray. The transformation is complete.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Outside of the author's commentary on the Anita Hill story, this is actually a fairly good opinion piece in the WSJ today:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-bidens-identity-reckoning-11554159979

Especially the last few paragraphs:

Mr. Biden’s instinct for cross-party compromise is a quality that would appeal to non-Trumpian Republicans in a presidential election, but that’s now disqualifying on the identity-politics left.

Mr. Biden may also have to apologize for his opposition to forced busing in the 1970s, his opposition to reparations for slavery, his 1993 support for harsher criminal sentences, and his support for George W. Bush’s Iraq war, among many other offenses against the new left orthodoxy. None of this festival of regret will make Mr. Biden look like a strong leader.

It's all enough to wonder why Mr. Biden would even want to run again. He’s lost twice before, in 1988 and 2008, but he left the Vice Presidency with a reservoir of goodwill for his service and sympathy for the loss of his adult son to cancer. If he can’t win by running as the “white guy” he is, then he ought to retire with his political dignity intact.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Mr. Biden’s instinct for cross-party compromise is a quality that would appeal to non-Trumpian Republicans in a presidential election, but that’s now disqualifying on the identity-politics left.

I don't think disqualifying is the right word here, I think it's delusional to think that any dem is gonna successfully negotiate anything (that moves the country in the right direction) with a certain scumbag Turtle. But I agree for the most part with what the article is saying.

 

[5mn_Major]

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You're backing one of the more conservative democrats who has zero chance of winning, boy that proved me wrong!

Amy Klobuchar is not conservative. At most, she's an average democrat. What's the deal this cycle with diminishing moderates? Should I be crediting Bernie for this trend?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Amy Klobuchar is not conservative. At most, she's an average democrat. What's the deal this cycle with diminishing moderates? Should I be crediting Bernie for this trend?

You can blame the last 10 years of no progress whatsoever on anything. Social Security and Medicare are in freefall. Income Inequality is getting worse. Women's access to health care is becoming a joke in some states. Immmigration is a complete joke. Health Care is a disaster even though "Obamacare" (what's left of it) is still sort of the law of the land. The Supreme Court is lost of the next generation.

Democrats are sick of it. And the folks that voted against Mrs. Clinton are sick of it. People want big **** done. Hell, infrastructure should have been Trump's strong suit but all he wants to build is a ****ing wall.

 

[5mn_Major]

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You can blame the last 10 years of no progress whatsoever on anything. Social Security and Medicare are in freefall. Income Inequality is getting worse. Women's access to health care is becoming a joke in some states. Immmigration is a complete joke. Health Care is a disaster even though "Obamacare" (what's left of it) is still sort of the law of the land. The Supreme Court is lost of the next generation.

Democrats are sick of it. And the folks that voted against Mrs. Clinton are sick of it. People want big **** done. Hell, infrastructure should have been Trump's strong suit but all he wants to build is a ****ing wall.

We've got this thing called congress. Presidents have a cap on what can be done. Obama got healthcare and Trump got taxes...that's it.

Regardless, the left of the left A) won't get electoral votes in any swing states and will give the WH to Trump B) even if they managed to miraculously get in, would pass even less as a dem congress would be less likely to support their policy. This country and its representatives average out to moderate.

So that is not an excuse to diminish other democrats as it only helps the right.

 

[Handyman]

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But there is no evidence that Ultra Liberals will be successful at getting things done. (which is kind of what Rover is trying to get at...they have issues even winning let alone governing) If you burn bridges with everyone who is moderate and Right you wont have enough votes to pass anything. It is one thing for AOC to be a firebrand holding every Dems feet to the fire it is another for the Presidential Candidate to do that. Lets not forget that while many of us are Progressive not every Dem is and they should be represented as well.

If the Bernie Bros turn "moderate" into a bad word (like the Right turned Liberal into a bad word) they will guarantee another 4 years of Trump. If the Progressives want to win they are going to need the moderates on their side. ****ing on them at every turn like some of you do (not you Scooby) isnt going to make them vote for you...

Politics is playing to the audience as much as it is anything else. Look at Trump he changes his message every time he gives a speech to a new town. (hell he changes it mid speech!) You need to make sure to give the people you want to vote for you what they want...or at least tell them you will. If you spit on everyone (which is what the Coastals do with Middle America for example) why the heck would they support you? If you say everyone who thinks differently than you (even in your own party!) is just an uneducated Cletus who is worthless and should just shut up and follow then the problem isnt them, it is you.

Like them or hate them, we need the moderates including Amy Klobuchar. I dont know if she makes the best candidate but she has done nothing but good in her career and is on the right side of most issues.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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We've got this thing called congress. Presidents have a cap on what can be done. Obama got healthcare and Trump got taxes...that's it.

Regardless, the left of the left A) won't get electoral votes in any swing states and will give the WH to Trump B) even if they managed to miraculously get in, would pass even less as a dem congress would be less likely to support their policy. This country and its representatives average out to moderate.

So that is not an excuse to diminish other democrats as it only helps the right.

Obama got a Republican Health Care Plan. That's what he got. He didn't get Health Care. He compromised and was pilloried for it. Somehow, the Republicans can always get another 1.5 trillion in tax cuts yet the left can have nothing.

Why don't you try explaining that first.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Obama got a Republican Health Care Plan. That's what he got. He didn't get Health Care. He compromised and was pilloried for it. Somehow, the Republicans can always get another 1.5 trillion in tax cuts yet the left can have nothing.

Why don't you try explaining that first.

I hear your disappointment and I would have been happy with more change. But IMO you're reacting with destructive behavior that is likely to give the GOP more power as that stuff risks turning off many others in what should be an extremely close race.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Amy Klobuchar is not conservative. At most, she's an average democrat. What's the deal this cycle with diminishing moderates? Should I be crediting Bernie for this trend?

Of the dems in this primary she'd be more on the conservative side of the aisle than Bernie, Warren, Tulsi, and probably even Booker or Harris. Not sure about Pete/Beto but possibly them too.

Anyhow if you're going to keep arguing that one of the more progressive candidates can't win Michigan/WI despite the fact that Bernie won those states in 2016 after barely even running a real campaign, you have no idea what you're talking about and should probably just stop talking. You repeat this dumb point over and over and it flies in the face of all evidence/data.