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2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
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trixR4kids
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Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
And saying, "neither should run", is the exact same thing as saying he should drop out so maybe reread your own posts.
It's not even heart surgery it's a relatively simple procedure where you might get mildly sedated at most and they just slip the stents in via a catheter which takes all of a couple hours. And then you're back to 100% in a few days.
And saying, "neither should run", is the exact same thing as saying he should drop out so maybe reread your own posts.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
Maybe not the best simile?
Here is The Thing. If this happened in June after Bernie was the nominee then it would be no big deal. Having no choice, we move on.
But we do have other choices, lots of them, some of them almost as good as Bernie. Warren is a fantastic candidate. Her ideas are still well to the left of what we can hope to achieve even going balls out and with the Senate. And she is certainly smart enough to run towards the center in the purple states while also energizing the insanely leftist base of, well, me.
Warren is our best bet to be President. We're going to increase our hold on the House. We're going to make a run at the Senate and while it isn't probable if Dump and the BVPS implode we can take it (with the WH we need 4 pick-ups assuming AL-R isn't the kid diddler).
Get on the bus, my friends.
Maybe not the best simile?
Here is The Thing. If this happened in June after Bernie was the nominee then it would be no big deal. Having no choice, we move on.
But we do have other choices, lots of them, some of them almost as good as Bernie. Warren is a fantastic candidate. Her ideas are still well to the left of what we can hope to achieve even going balls out and with the Senate. And she is certainly smart enough to run towards the center in the purple states while also energizing the insanely leftist base of, well, me.
Warren is our best bet to be President. We're going to increase our hold on the House. We're going to make a run at the Senate and while it isn't probable if Dump and the BVPS implode we can take it (with the WH we need 4 pick-ups assuming AL-R isn't the kid diddler).
Get on the bus, my friends.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
I no more assault trix than you assault me. (which is to say not at all) I happen to think his opinions are wrongheaded and I think he doesnt see the forest from the trees (like a lot of people on our side of the argument) which gets us in trouble. I dont think he is a bad person and as I try to tell him every time he goes off on one of his day long deluges he and I agree way more than we disagree. (just like me and you) We just have personality differences. He is a true believer, and I am a survivor. He is closer to #nomiddleground and I am just about winning for now. Both have their values but they dont play well together at parties
The difference between you and him is you can see why this is going to hurt Bernie even if he gets a clean bill of health. I think you and I both acknowledge it sucks and we would rather this not be the way it plays out but that is not within our control. That is why you posted the way you did and why I agreed with you. (and somehow that turned into me saying he should quit)
Truth be told...I like trix he just annoys the heck out of me
I no more assault trix than you assault me. (which is to say not at all) I happen to think his opinions are wrongheaded and I think he doesnt see the forest from the trees (like a lot of people on our side of the argument) which gets us in trouble. I dont think he is a bad person and as I try to tell him every time he goes off on one of his day long deluges he and I agree way more than we disagree. (just like me and you) We just have personality differences. He is a true believer, and I am a survivor. He is closer to #nomiddleground and I am just about winning for now. Both have their values but they dont play well together at parties
The difference between you and him is you can see why this is going to hurt Bernie even if he gets a clean bill of health. I think you and I both acknowledge it sucks and we would rather this not be the way it plays out but that is not within our control. That is why you posted the way you did and why I agreed with you. (and somehow that turned into me saying he should quit)
Truth be told...I like trix he just annoys the heck out of me
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
The stent will be weaponized against him when he's back on the campaign trail and the other candidates think it's safe to do so. Illin' Bernie's support will not grow now that he's so publicly had a health scare. And make not doubt about it - it's a health scare, one where most people will not look beyond the surface of knowing that something was implanted into the man and it had to do with his heart. Rationalize all you want, the optics are against the man.
The stent will be weaponized against him when he's back on the campaign trail and the other candidates think it's safe to do so. Illin' Bernie's support will not grow now that he's so publicly had a health scare. And make not doubt about it - it's a health scare, one where most people will not look beyond the surface of knowing that something was implanted into the man and it had to do with his heart. Rationalize all you want, the optics are against the man.
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
We don't know yet what the implications will be. All anyone is doing is speculating at this point. It seems to me people who have supported Sanders up until now are still going to support him. Surgery be dammed.
We don't know yet what the implications will be. All anyone is doing is speculating at this point. It seems to me people who have supported Sanders up until now are still going to support him. Surgery be dammed.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
I originally put "no pun intended" but deleted it at the last second.
Maybe not the best simile?
Here is The Thing. If this happened in June after Bernie was the nominee then it would be no big deal. Having no choice, we move on.
But we do have other choices, lots of them, some of them almost as good as Bernie. Warren is a fantastic candidate. Her ideas are still well to the left of what we can hope to achieve even going balls out and with the Senate. And she is certainly smart enough to run towards the center in the purple states while also energizing the insanely leftist base of, well, me.
Warren is our best bet to be President. We're going to increase our hold on the House. We're going to make a run at the Senate and while it isn't probable if Dump and the BVPS implode we can take it (with the WH we need 4 pick-ups assuming AL-R isn't the kid diddler).
Get on the bus, my friends.
I originally put "no pun intended" but deleted it at the last second.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
I didnt say trix should stop supporting Bernie either. Hell I didnt even suggest he should support Warren. (that is Kepler though I agreed with his take) All I am saying is this is not going to be good for his campaign. If trix and the Bernie Bots on Twitter want to stick with him more power to them. I dont give up on my favorite teams just cause the best player gets hurt...but I do acknowledge that the odds get worse after it happens.
Saying I think the odds are long /= give up the ghost. It is me saying be prepared things could go very bad.
I didnt say trix should stop supporting Bernie either. Hell I didnt even suggest he should support Warren. (that is Kepler though I agreed with his take) All I am saying is this is not going to be good for his campaign. If trix and the Bernie Bots on Twitter want to stick with him more power to them. I dont give up on my favorite teams just cause the best player gets hurt...but I do acknowledge that the odds get worse after it happens.
Saying I think the odds are long /= give up the ghost. It is me saying be prepared things could go very bad.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
That is certainly true. But this will put a cap on that support. The people who weren't supporting him already had either a different favorite or misgivings. Rightly or not this will calcify that, and the smart money knows that and will follow accordingly.
Bernie's not going anywhere for months. But the plan has now moved from acceptance speech to exit plan. Bernie's job is to extract the most he possibly can from the eventual nominee for the policies which you and I want. Remember the horse race is mostly bullsh-t. What matters are the political dynamics that shape what is possible once one gains power. With Obama, despite his heady victory, those forces were all uphill and deeply difficult. We need to fashion an American political environment in which the return to sanity and fairness and kindness is the path of least resistance.
We are not snipers gunning for each other anymore. We are Nazi hunters now. Our job is to root out the evil that has infected the far right since the 1950s, and has more and more come to bring disease to the entire society. Our job is to scour it away in government and isolate it so it chokes on its own filth in the backwaters.
That is certainly true. But this will put a cap on that support. The people who weren't supporting him already had either a different favorite or misgivings. Rightly or not this will calcify that, and the smart money knows that and will follow accordingly.
Bernie's not going anywhere for months. But the plan has now moved from acceptance speech to exit plan. Bernie's job is to extract the most he possibly can from the eventual nominee for the policies which you and I want. Remember the horse race is mostly bullsh-t. What matters are the political dynamics that shape what is possible once one gains power. With Obama, despite his heady victory, those forces were all uphill and deeply difficult. We need to fashion an American political environment in which the return to sanity and fairness and kindness is the path of least resistance.
We are not snipers gunning for each other anymore. We are Nazi hunters now. Our job is to root out the evil that has infected the far right since the 1950s, and has more and more come to bring disease to the entire society. Our job is to scour it away in government and isolate it so it chokes on its own filth in the backwaters.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
Hey I agree...but maybe go back and read the exchange all I did was agree with you.
Hey I agree...but maybe go back and read the exchange all I did was agree with you.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
I'm shaking my fist at the clouds not you.
Hey I agree...but maybe go back and read the exchange all I did was agree with you.
I'm shaking my fist at the clouds not you.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
It's amazing how quickly the idea that Warren is just Hillary 2: Electric Boogaloo with stolen Bernie policies has metastasized in his head. It's almost like reading only far-left sources (The Root, Mother Jones, whatever the DSA's version of Pravda is called) is just as bad for you as only reading all of the far-right ones.
It's amazing how quickly the idea that Warren is just Hillary 2: Electric Boogaloo with stolen Bernie policies has metastasized in his head. It's almost like reading only far-left sources (The Root, Mother Jones, whatever the DSA's version of Pravda is called) is just as bad for you as only reading all of the far-right ones.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
how come tD never uses this in his standard rally?
should bring up bernie and bernie's health plan. ask the crowd why congress, if they love obamacare so much, didn't sign up for it.
then he can tout his 'plan' with the cheap, cover nothing insurance
get some cheers 
how come tD never uses this in his standard rally?
should bring up bernie and bernie's health plan. ask the crowd why congress, if they love obamacare so much, didn't sign up for it.
then he can tout his 'plan' with the cheap, cover nothing insurance
get some cheers 
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
It might, but even if he won all the way, he'd be dead within a year of the Presidency unless he plans to govern as lazily as Sniffles.
It might, but even if he won all the way, he'd be dead within a year of the Presidency unless he plans to govern as lazily as Sniffles.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
That you think this is an argument in Bernie's favor...
That you think this is an argument in Bernie's favor...
ticapnews
Never graduate.
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
That worked so well in 2004 and 2016.
Of course, we're fooling ourselves if we think any of this theater matters. As soon as the Articles of Impeachment are presented the odds are decent that the United States descends into chaos (not quite civil war, but certainly civil unrest). This isn't going to be resolved at the ballot box next November.
That worked so well in 2004 and 2016.
Of course, we're fooling ourselves if we think any of this theater matters. As soon as the Articles of Impeachment are presented the odds are decent that the United States descends into chaos (not quite civil war, but certainly civil unrest). This isn't going to be resolved at the ballot box next November.
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
No doubt the corporate media is going to do that but it really depends how much you think most people care about those outlets after 2016.
non-factor =/= in favor
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers V: Bye Felicia
It has nothing to do with CORPORATE MEDIA sending out its message and everything to do with people looking at the facts, ones that don't even have to be altered. He just had two stents put in place. People know Gramps So-And-So had one of those and he has a heart condition. Can't vote for a guy who's gonna drop dead in two years, so it's on to candidate B
It has nothing to do with CORPORATE MEDIA sending out its message and everything to do with people looking at the facts, ones that don't even have to be altered. He just had two stents put in place. People know Gramps So-And-So had one of those and he has a heart condition. Can't vote for a guy who's gonna drop dead in two years, so it's on to candidate B
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