2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

I think these issues should be winners in rural communities. If not, **** us.

fyp...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

fyp...

I should have moved. So much in my life I would change. Hindsight is a ***** and you cannot let regret get you down or you're just depressed. It's tough. I imagine a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

How?

Come back from fantasy land.
Reality needs you

It literally used to be free until they stopped funding it. I'll let you guess which party was mostly responsible for that.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

Again, I agree.

But we need to find what will win in swing states and get it done. Or you ain't seen nothin' yet.

You mean like Michigan and WI?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

You mean like Michigan and WI?

If they're really turning red and this trendline is real then Democrats may have a tough time. If it really was about Clinton as all of you have said since the election then it shouldn't be a problem.

I guess we'll find out.

 

[BassAle]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

It literally used to be free until they stopped funding it. I'll let you guess which party was mostly responsible for that.

well, rich people need a tax cut so we might as well saddle future generations of kids coming from working and middle class families with mountains of debt

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

well, rich people need a tax cut so we might as well saddle future generations of kids coming from working and middle class families with mountains of debt

Mission Accomplished. That all started in 1980. Perfect timing to basically effect my entire working life.

 

[5mn_Major]

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You mean like Michigan and WI?

Yep all of them.

Not arguing what the campaign positions should be. I'm arguing what the basis for choosing the campaign positions should be...and that is winning the only votes that matter - the swing states.

The GOP policy is first win. Ours needs to be also.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

Yep all of them.

Not arguing what the campaign positions should be. I'm arguing what the basis for choosing the campaign positions should be...and that is winning the only votes that matter - the swing states.

The GOP policy is first win. Ours needs to be also.

I disagree. If you do that on the left you will depress the Democratic vote and you'll end up with Trump all over again. I don't think you learned the lessons of 2016 yet.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Yep all of them.

Not arguing what the campaign positions should be. I'm arguing what the basis for choosing the campaign positions should be...and that is winning the only votes that matter - the swing states.

The GOP policy is first win. Ours needs to be also.

They did that, they lost. Let’s try something new.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

I disagree. If you do that on the left you will depress the Democratic vote and you'll end up with Trump all over again. I don't think you learned the lessons of 2016 yet.

If that suppresses CA/MA voting, unfortunately their EC votes don't matter. As said, if that depresses dem votes in swing states enough to lose them - don't do it. Clinton won NY and WA, but lost the swing states and the country.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

If that suppresses CA/MA voting, unfortunately their EC votes don't matter. As said, if that depresses dem votes in swing states enough to lose them - don't do it. Clinton won NY and WA, but lost the swing states and the country.

No, it depressed Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Minnesota was the only one that survived. Your not going to get Republicans to vote Democrat. Period. Stop trying.

 

[Jimjamesak]

No, it depressed Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Minnesota was the only one that survived. Your not going to get Republicans to vote Democrat. Period. Stop trying.

This.

Turnout in 2016 was a little over 55%. Stop trying to get Republicans to vote Democrat and start working on the nearly 45% that didn’t vote at all.

 

[5mn_Major]

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No, it depressed Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Pennsylvania. Minnesota was the only one that survived. Your not going to get Republicans to vote Democrat. Period. Stop trying.

Yup. We can afford to take major hits in D turnout on the coast. We cannot afford to lose the midwest again. In the age of Trump, the whole of the midwest is swing state territory.

 

[joecct]

Yup. We can afford to take major hits in D turnout on the coast. We cannot afford to lose the midwest again. In the age of Trump, the whole of the midwest is swing state territory.

And ask yourselves why did this happen and how you can avoid it in the future.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

Yup. We can afford to take major hits in D turnout on the coast. We cannot afford to lose the midwest again. In the age of Trump, the whole of the midwest is swing state territory.

I don't like the "sacrifice one place for the sake of another" plan because there's down ballot races we need to pick up as well. Also, it doesn't even have to be that way. All people to the left of Chump and the treasonous money laundering cult that he leads have a higher calling beyond single payer or 90% top tier tax rates. Simply put its Democracy vs Nazism. The entire GOP needs to be vilified to the point of unelectability for everyone who's not already a Trump Humper. Republicans long ago figured out this tactic, as at this point the Dems could be dropping bricks of cash from Black Ops helicopters all over a place like West Virginia and its citizens still wouldn't vote for them.

Its not that single payer and tax rates aren't important. They are. However, the primary goal of all of us who don't fear that transgender Muslim illegal immigrant hordes are overwhelming the border in order to force Americans to listen to Ricky Martin's greatest hits needs to be the complete and utter destruction of the treasonous money laundering cult that goes by the name "Republicans". Its not like they haven't given us any material to work with.

 

[ericredaxe]

And that's really what has happened. And because we as a society started telling everyone that they need to go to college to be employed there has been a massive inflationary effect.

If you want a robust economy you cannot handcuff your workers with mountains of debt while at the same time having all the baby boomers retire. It's going to be a disaster if we don't do something.

Define “mountains of debt”... obviously if someone takes out loans for private schools they will certainly have huge debt, but it seems as if college can currently be achieved at a state school or community college without racking up massive debt.

A little bit of skin in the game is not a bad thing.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Uh no, state schools will still leave you with a ton of debt, even more so if you go to any type of grad school. Going to the U of MN costs like $27,000 a year if you live on campus for undergrad. There's no way you're working and paying that off simultaneously which was possible back when my parents went to school.

 

[ericredaxe]

Uh no, state schools will still leave you with a ton of debt, even more so if you go to any type of grad school. Going to the U of MN costs like $27,000 a year if you live on campus for undergrad. There's no way you're working and paying that off simultaneously which was possible back when my parents went to school.

It isn’t required to live at school to earn a degree. Or are you suggesting we should be paying for people’s housing and meals as well?

Here in my area Mass Bay Community College is $212 per credit. Or if you want to go a little more expensive one could commute to Salem State and pay $10,800 per year. If you borrowed it all, you would graduate with roughly the equivalent amount of a car loan.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Uh no, state schools will still leave you with a ton of debt, even more so if you go to any type of grad school. Going to the U of MN costs like $27,000 a year if you live on campus for undergrad. There's no way you're working and paying that off simultaneously which was possible back when my parents went to school.

Even the Community College I went to for two years can cost up to $17k, UAA is $26k a year for Alaska residents.