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2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

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Jimjamesak said:
Even the Community College I went to for two years can cost up to $17k, UAA is $26k a year for Alaska residents.
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Yeah, I honestly don't understand all the guff over this idea. We have to do this for our economy. We also need to do a better job of finding workers for the jobs that are available.
 
ericredaxe said:
It isn’t required to live at school to earn a degree. Or are you suggesting we should be paying for people’s housing and meals as well?
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Still gotta pay for somewhere to live (unless parents live close), food, and transportation. And that’s not easy while 30+ credits a year.
 
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ericredaxe said:
It isn’t required to live at school to earn a degree. Or are you suggesting we should be paying for people’s housing and meals as well?

Here in my area Mass Bay Community College is $212 per credit. Or if you want to go a little more expensive one could commute to Salem State and pay $10,800 per year. If you borrowed it all, you would graduate with roughly the equivalent amount of a car loan.
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You do realize there is more than just Community College and Private School right?

And the Dems need to just ignore the Republicans. Those voters arent flipping. Get your people to vote and they have a better path to victory.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Still gotta pay for somewhere to live (unless parents live close), food, and transportation. And that’s not easy while 30+ credits a year.
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How is that different for a senior in high school? They would have to have a place to live as well as food etc paid for.

Are you suggesting free living expenses as well? I don’t think that will speak to a majority of voters.
 
Handyman said:
You do realize there is more than just Community College and Private School right?

And the Dems need to just ignore the Republicans. Those voters arent flipping. Get your people to vote and they have a better path to victory.
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Salem State is not a private school.
 
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ericredaxe said:
How is that different for a senior in high school? They would have to have a place to live as well as food etc paid for.

Are you suggesting free living expenses as well? I don’t think that will speak to a majority of voters.
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Depends on the student. In general, however, I would not be including living expense. However, with how massively expensive dorms are I would be subsidizing their cost.
 
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ericredaxe said:
It isn’t required to live at school to earn a degree. Or are you suggesting we should be paying for people’s housing and meals as well?

Here in my area Mass Bay Community College is $212 per credit. Or if you want to go a little more expensive one could commute to Salem State and pay $10,800 per year. If you borrowed it all, you would graduate with roughly the equivalent amount of a car loan.
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For some people living from home isn't an option and learning to live away from your parents is probably one of the most important parts of going to college. I don't think housing is covered in other countries that have free college but rent does seem far more affordable so perhaps something could be worked out there to give students some kind of subsidized housing. Either way you shouldn't need to be 100k in debt to accomplish that, it's ridiculous and it wasn't the case in this country a few decades ago in certain states and there are other countries that have managed to figure this out as well and don't have nearly as big of a gap between the haves and have nots.

ScoobyDoo said:
We also need to do a better job of finding workers for the jobs that are available.
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Well compensating them better is an option...

There's a reason nobody wants to work the available night shift warehouse job that skimps on safety, benefits, and pay.
 
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Handyman said:
I never said it was :confused:

(I was just saying not everything is super cheap or super expensive)
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Ahh gotcha... I misunderstood your point.

Salem State was actually my example of a pretty good school that would probably be considered neither super cheap nor super expensive.
 
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Handyman said:
You do realize there is more than just Community College and Private School right?
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I'd be okay just starting with community college or trade school as part of standard public education in the U.S. tuition only. the idea is someone would go close to home and live at home while they complete this degree, so they can at least get some higher education without taking on debt. distance learning centers could be set up in very far-flung rural areas could to keep commute times manageable.

Everyone graduates with at least a 2 year associates degree or some kind of trade certification. If they want to they can go on to a 4 year degree, they'll get some of their credits to transfer and can finish up in 2-3 years vs 4-5, so they'll finish their 4 year degree at a lower cost. If you get a scholarship or can pay, you can go straight to a 4 year college if you want.
 
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5mn_Major said:
CNN's 'definitive' ranking of potential D candidates:

1. Biden
2. Warren
3. Harris
4. Gillibrand
5. Sanders
6. Holder
7, Bullock
8. Booker
9. Landrieu
10. Brown

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/politics/2020-democrats-rankings/index.html
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1 - maybe, and I didn't think I'd be saying that at this point. too old should apply here too.
2 - too old. already said she wouldn't.
3 - yup - no downside for her even if she doesn't get nomination this time.
4 - yup - kind of an opportunist though. might come back to bite her.
5 - too old
6 - ??? where'd this come from?
7 - better off running for senate
8 - I can see that
9 - better off running for Gov in a few years
10 - only if he wins re-election. (we are talking about Sherrod Brown, right and not Jerry Brown?)
 
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Rover said:
1 - maybe, and I didn't think I'd be saying that at this point. too old should apply here too.
2 - too old. already said she wouldn't.
3 - yup - no downside for her even if she doesn't get nomination this time.
4 - yup - kind of an opportunist though. might come back to bite her.
5 - too old
6 - ??? where'd this come from?
7 - better off running for senate
8 - I can see that
9 - better off running for Gov in a few years
10 - only if he wins re-election. (we are talking about Sherrod Brown, right and not Jerry Brown?)
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Holder indicated he may be interested in running. I don't have a problem with it.
 
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