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2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

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mookie1995 said:
Those have GOT to be the easiest classes on earth. Study genders :rolleyes:
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It's like everything from Astrophysics to English Lit. Undergraduate is easy directly to the extent that you are smart because the material is finite and up to the department. Graduate school is difficult directly to the extent that you are smart because the material is infinite and up to you.
 
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glad joeb is listening and trying to come up with a nickname for tD :D

lets see if 'clown' has staying power :p
 
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The lack of awareness of how the GOP has starved the government to the point we don't have good transportation, or infrastructure is boggling. The fact that we cannot figure out how to pay for it while we have no problem handing buckets of cash to the rich is staggering.

The good news is when we elect the next pragmatist instead of a real mover and shaker we'll get nowhere all over again. This election is all about how GW wasn't so bad instead of what it needs to be about.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The lack of awareness of how the GOP has starved the government to the point we don't have good transportation, or infrastructure is boggling. The fact that we cannot figure out how to pay for it while we have no problem handing buckets of cash to the rich is staggering.

The good news is when we elect the next pragmatist instead of a real mover and shaker we'll get nowhere all over again. This election is all about how GW wasn't so bad instead of what it needs to be about.
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If you want to know where our roads and bridges went just look at the wealth of the top .01%

That was a very specific choice by the GOP and they fooled their voters into going along with it. And even after the fact those voters have not caught on.
 
Kepler said:
If you want to know where our roads and bridges went just look at the wealth of the top .01%

That was a very specific choice by the GOP and they fooled their voters into going along with it. And even after the fact those voters have not caught on.
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My dad works as an exec for a construction firm that builds highways and it took him like 8+ years of Scott Walker not funding it to realize the guy is a fraud :facepalm:
 
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trixR4kids said:
My dad works as an exec for a construction firm that builds highways and it took him like 8+ years of Scott Walker not funding it to realize the guy is a fraud :facepalm:
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I'm pretty sure the media and the masses are convinced this is a good economy. The problem is the government coffers are barren, and when the next recession hits were all ****ed. Now is the time to not only have a good economy but pay the bills and save for a rainy day. Instead, we did the opposite. Next downturn will make '08 look like a child's tea party.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The lack of awareness of how the GOP has starved the government to the point we don't have good transportation, or infrastructure is boggling. The fact that we cannot figure out how to pay for it while we have no problem handing buckets of cash to the rich is staggering.
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The rich are not the ones underpaying.

https://streets.mn/2015/01/14/map-of-the-day-state-highway-taxes-vs-state-highway-spending/
 
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I don't think the coffers are barren per se but that's how the Republicans will portray it if they lose power. I'm fine with spending on smart things that improve the economy for the majority of the population but tax cuts that mostly benefit 1% of it clearly isn't accomplishing that. And the economy is better than it was in 2008 but most of the recovery didn't go to ordinary people and most of the jobs created during that time were either part time or contract work.
5mn_Major said:
The rich are not the ones underpaying.

https://streets.mn/2015/01/14/map-of-the-day-state-highway-taxes-vs-state-highway-spending/
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Pretty sure he's talking at the federal level and he's right.
 
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trixR4kids said:
I don't think the coffers are barren per se but that's how the Republicans will portray it if they lose power. I'm fine with spending on smart things that improve the economy for the majority of the population but tax cuts that mostly benefit 1% of it clearly isn't accomplishing that. And the economy is better than it was in 2008 but most of the recovery didn't go to ordinary people and most of the jobs created during that time were either part time or contract work.
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Oh, yes they are. Federally we have more deficit and more debt than ever before.

And there comes the pragmatist to tell us he still doesn't understand progressive taxation.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Oh, yes they are. Federally we have more deficit and more debt than ever before.
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We also own our own currency and it's the most powerful currency in the world. This isn't as much of an issue as Republicans make it out to be (only when the black guy is in office).
 
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trixR4kids said:
We also own our own currency and it's the most powerful currency in the world. This isn't as much of an issue as Republicans make it out to be (only when the black guy is in office).
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Just wait until a Democrat is back in the White House. Red, Black, Brown, White, doesn't matter.
 
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Well yeah, of course they're gonna be completely disingenuous about that and everything else.
 
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mookie1995 said:
seems like a very simple metric here.
how about usage?
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It is a simple metric...because it was a simple question. Who is paying more than their fair share?

But I'm happy to discuss usage. I would doubt that there's a massive number of city cars driving around Otter Tail county - and if there are any, they're on the freeway or other US highway. Just as those living outside the city rarely use city streets, those living in the city just as rarely use thousands of miles of rural country roads and very few in the city would miss very few roads in rural areas if they were not kept.

Having said that, nobody said that this is outcome is bad. We in the city have come to expect we should help maintain the rural roads the state has.
 
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jerphisch said:
I'm curious how those graphics told you something about the cost paid by the rich?
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Quite simple. The states poorest counties do not fully pay for their own roads and those funds come from the counties where the rich live.

Whatever your math to reach a different conclusion...you'll have to explain it very carefully.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Quite simple. The states poorest counties do not fully pay for their own roads and those funds come from the counties where the rich live.

Whatever your math to reach a different conclusion...you'll have to explain it very carefully.
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The charts have nothing to do with income, full stop. There is no math involved because there is no data related to income. In general I'd say you're confusing people, with rich people. The places where few people live are subsidized by those where lots of people live. Most of those of people are not rich.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Quite simple. The states poorest counties do not fully pay for their own roads and those funds come from the counties where the rich live.

Whatever your math to reach a different conclusion...you'll have to explain it very carefully.
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So you just assume that all the people in Outstate Minnesota are poor? Interesting...

I mean that is wrong but it makes sense coming from someone who doesnt know how taxes work.
 
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jerphisch said:
The charts have nothing to do with income, full stop.
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Counties with much greater wealth are paying for the roads in counties with much less wealth in every single case. Every single one.

I've given my evidence. Still waiting for any scenario explaining that the underpayment that's happening in rural areas is in fact coming from the rich who don't live there.
 
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