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2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

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Maybe a possible republican primary challenge needs it's own thread, but article by Bill Weld: https://thebulwark.com/weld-its-time-for-trump-to-resign/

He won't siphon away any of Dump's voters. If he runs as an independent, all he'll do is pull the protest votes that broke for McMullin in 2016 away from the Democratic nominee (especially if it's a hardcore lefty), or whichever pointless Libertarian candidate is busy grifting donations from fedora/neckbeard types.
 
He won't siphon away any of Dump's voters. If he runs as an independent, all he'll do is pull the protest votes that broke for McMullin in 2016 away from the Democratic nominee (especially if it's a hardcore lefty), or whichever pointless Libertarian candidate is busy grifting donations from fedora/neckbeard types.

He has already said he won’t run as an independent.

It’s also early... obviously not much precedent for a successful primary challenge to an incumbent so obviously his chances are low, but let’s see when he gets his message out. He was an excellent governor and is qualified for the job.
 
He has already said he won’t run as an independent.

It’s also early... obviously not much precedent for a successful primary challenge to an incumbent so obviously his chances are low, but let’s see when he gets his message out. He was an excellent governor and is qualified for the job.

The debates will be fun :rolleyes: :p
 
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It’s also early... obviously not much precedent for a successful primary challenge to an incumbent so obviously his chances are low, but let’s see when he gets his message out. He was an excellent governor and is qualified for the job.

The usual result of a strong primary challenge to the incumbent is the incumbent wins the nomination but loses the general (Ford 1976 by Reagan, Carter 1984 by Kennedy). OK by me.

Per NPR, these are the incumbents who were denied their nominations:

Franklin Pierce, the 14th president, who was elected as a Democrat in 1852. His pro-Southern sentiments and his policy of failing to lead on the divisive issue of slavery badly hurt his standing with the voters. Especially damaging was his support for the pro-slavery Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, which backfired on him as Kansas was overrun by pro-slavery forces, mostly from the slave state of Missouri. The events angered Northerners everywhere and helped lead to the creation of the Republican Party. When Democratic delegates gathered in Cincinnati for their convention in 1856, it was clear that they had had enough of Pierce. James Buchanan, who had been defeated by Pierce for the nomination four years earlier, won the nomination on the 17th ballot.

Four other presidents were denied the nomination of their party, but none of these were elected in their own right. They were:

John Tyler, Whig, 1844. Tyler became president in 1841 following the death of William Henry Harrison. Tyler, a conservative Southerner, was out of step with many in the Whig Party, which instead nominated Henry Clay for president.

Millard Fillmore, Whig, 1852. Fillmore also ascended to the presidency following the death of the incumbent. In this case it was Zachary Taylor, who died in 1850. Taylor's death left the Whigs in disarray, and the party convention chose Gen. Winfield Scott over Fillmore and Daniel Webster.

Andrew Johnson, Democrat, 1868. Johnson, a Southerner and a Democrat, was chosen to be part of a Republican unity ticket led by President Abraham Lincoln in 1864. Following Lincoln's assassination the following year, Johnson tried in vain to win the support of the late president's allies; in fact, he was impeached and nearly convicted by a GOP Congress. The Democratic nomination went to Horatio Seymour.

Chester Arthur, Republican, 1884. Arthur was picked for VP by James Garfield in 1880 in order to help the GOP carry New York. Following Garfield's assassination in 1881, Arthur alienated his erstwhile allies by attacking the patronage system that had helped his career until that point. Arthur lost the GOP nomination to James Blaine.

Lyndon Johnson also effectively counts -- he was driven out of the 1968 nomination process by the anti-war movement in general and Eugene McCarthy in particular.
 
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...Andrew Johnson, Democrat, 1868. Johnson, a Southerner and a Democrat, was chosen to be part of a Republican unity ticket led by President Abraham Lincoln in 1864. Following Lincoln's assassination the following year, Johnson tried in vain to win the support of the late president's allies; in fact, he was impeached and nearly convicted by a GOP Congress. The Democratic nomination went to Horatio Seymour...

Thank you Edmund Ross (R-KS).
 
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The last time an incumbent had a minor threat was probably Buchanan in 1992 who got 20-25% of the extreme end of the party. I'd assume Weld would try to get the never Trump's and any moderate Republicans who hadn't already left the party over the past 3+ years
 
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I'd assume Weld would try to get the never Trump's and any moderate Republicans who hadn't already left the party over the past 3+ years

Which is good for McMormon's 0.54% of the vote in the 2016 General, plus maybe another 1-2% smart enough to come to their senses and realize they were duped.

Every other Republican voter loves him. They love the Tweeting, or at least don't dislike it enough to pick someone else. They think the tax cuts were great, and are the sole reason the economy is humming along. They think the wall is needed, and that he's building it despite being unfairly obstructed by the "Demoncrats" and their "Witch Hunt". Etc. Etc.
 
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Thank you Edmund Ross (R-KS).

Was he the guy who voted to not convict?

My 10th grade class did a reenactment of the Johnson impeachment. We found that Johnson was politically incompetent but the charges were bogus and the impeachment was a hit job.
 
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Responding to the silliness in the POTUS thread here. Moderates don't solve problems. The last one to solve major problems at the Federal Level was FDR. He wasn't a moderate. If we hire another moderate all we're eliminating is the systemic destruction caused by Trump. No real problems will be solved.
 
Re: 2020 Democrat Challengers Part II: There Can Be Only One

Responding to the silliness in the POTUS thread here. Moderates don't solve problems. The last one to solve major problems at the Federal Level was FDR. He wasn't a moderate. If we hire another moderate all we're eliminating is the systemic destruction caused by Trump. No real problems will be solved.
Pretty much, we need someone who is actually going to fight tooth and nail for real solutions to the problems we face and if the opposition's only platform is, "I'm not Trump, all the problems go away once he's out of office", with no other specifics, at best we're gonna get another really close race where even if they win we're probably going to see another wave of fascism in 4-8 years, a ton of down ballot races being lost, and someone far smarter than Trump heading it.

Also the idea that moderates are somehow more "electable" is complete bull**** that flies in the face of all data but the guy who keeps spouting it doesn't understand marginal tax rates so w/e...
 
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Pretty much, we need someone who is actually going to fight tooth and nail for real solutions to the problems we face and if the opposition's only platform is, "I'm not Trump, all the problems go away once he's out of office", with no other specifics, at best we're gonna get another really close race where even if they win we're probably going to see another wave of fascism in 4-8 years, a ton of down ballot races being lost, and someone far smarter than Trump heading it.

It probably gets worse before it gets better because it hasn't turned violent yet. The Republicans have set the explosives. Dump is bending over to light the fuse. Once the cycle of vengeance starts ask the Irish how easy it is to stop. Ask the Arabs. We have to stop this before they become violent and I don't know how to do that. How do you reabsorb sick cells to prevent them from attacking healthy ones?

Ironically we have a very strong ally: the 1%. It is not to their advantage to disturb their slave consumer base with civil disorder. They need peace at home and violence abroad -- violence at home does not enrich them.
 
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