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2019-20 pwr
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Re: 2019-20 pwr
Found the following on the USCHO site describing the NCAA D3 Tournament "Format: Eight teams play in first-round games to fill the quarterfinal field." Don't know whether it is a direct quote from the official rules, or just a text description. Wonder if it applies to your scenario.
I was trying to remember if they can do that or not... As I stated in the other thread, though, if chalk holds, I think Hobart will drop into the first round game against Endicott and the host of the Geneseo / Adrian game would depend on the bump Adrian could get from beating Lake Forest...
Found the following on the USCHO site describing the NCAA D3 Tournament "Format: Eight teams play in first-round games to fill the quarterfinal field." Don't know whether it is a direct quote from the official rules, or just a text description. Wonder if it applies to your scenario.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
They have done similar match ups before,
He knows..he was there .... remember lol
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Geneva "Regional"
Adrian/Geneseo —> Hobart
Eau Claire "Regional"
St.John’s/Lake Forest —> UWEC
Utica "Regional"
Plymouth/UNE —> Utica
Northfield "Regional"
Williams/Endicott —> Norwich
You would still get 4 first round games and 4 quarter finals, but not in the way people think about it. I still think the current set up leads to this instead:Found the following on the USCHO site describing the NCAA D3 Tournament "Format: Eight teams play in first-round games to fill the quarterfinal field." Don't know whether it is a direct quote from the official rules, or just a text description. Wonder if it applies to your scenario.
Geneva "Regional"
Adrian/Geneseo —> Hobart
Eau Claire "Regional"
St.John’s/Lake Forest —> UWEC
Utica "Regional"
Plymouth/UNE —> Utica
Northfield "Regional"
Williams/Endicott —> Norwich
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Tom Coughlin
5x NCAA Champ/2x Super Bowl Champ
Adrian game would depend on the bump Adrian could get from beating Lake Forest...
Lake Forest lost the DMG to Trine last weekend, so they are out. Adrian can get a boost from beating the Marian/SNC winner next Saturday (if they make it past Trine tonight).
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Not out as far as Pool C. In the PWR, they sit tied for 7th, and if all favorites were to win out, they would be the 3rd team into Pool C (ahead of Endicott, and behind Hobart and UWEC. Their ranking is unlikely to fall more than one spot, but if both Adrian and Geneseo were to lose, they would be on the outside.
Lake Forest lost the DMG to Trine last weekend, so they are out. Adrian can get a boost from beating the Marian/SNC winner next Saturday (if they make it past Trine tonight).
Not out as far as Pool C. In the PWR, they sit tied for 7th, and if all favorites were to win out, they would be the 3rd team into Pool C (ahead of Endicott, and behind Hobart and UWEC. Their ranking is unlikely to fall more than one spot, but if both Adrian and Geneseo were to lose, they would be on the outside.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Utica could end up passing Norwich for the No. 1 overall seed, which could change the matchups. If Utica goes 3-0 or 2-0-1, I'm thinking they pass Norwich, regardless of whether Norwich beats Hobart or not next Saturday.
So with UNE losing yesterday how does that change the "Utica" regional, or is it too early to tell. I am assuming if Wentworth wins you slot them in to that spot? Thanks for putting in the work to figure it out for us common folk.
Utica could end up passing Norwich for the No. 1 overall seed, which could change the matchups. If Utica goes 3-0 or 2-0-1, I'm thinking they pass Norwich, regardless of whether Norwich beats Hobart or not next Saturday.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Norwich has been hurt in the RPI by having to play Castleton and USM. Although your RPI doesn't take a hit if you win those games, it doesn't advance either, and Utica is getting a better quality of opposition. This is one of the problems with the RPI (and yes, Fishy, also the KRACH). You don't control who is on your schedule once the puck drops for the season.
My take (based on the PWR as of this morning)
Pool A (conferences in alphabetical order - assuming top surving seed wins)
CCC Endicott (7)
MASCAC Plymouth (47)
MIAC Concordia (MN) (30)
NCHA Adrian (5)
NEHC Norwich (1)
NESCAC Williams (11)
SUNYAC Geneseo (4)
UCHC Utica (2)
Pool C
Hobart (3)
UWEC (6)
Lake Forest (8)
Babson (9)
My (potentially flawed) reading of matchups (as of now)
"Geneva Regional"
Adrian/Geneseo —> Hobart
"Eau Clare Regional"
Concordia/Lake Forest —> UWEC
"Utica Regional"
Plymouth/Endicott —> Utica
"Northfield Regional"
Williams/Babson —> Norwich
UNE's loss drops them of Pool A, and out of Pool C as well, Babson now has the last Pool C slot. Endicott moves up to a Pool A spot
I would guess that if Utica passes Norwich in the PWR that their opponents would switch in the quarters.
Utica could end up passing Norwich for the No. 1 overall seed, which could change the matchups. If Utica goes 3-0 or 2-0-1, I'm thinking they pass Norwich, regardless of whether Norwich beats Hobart or not next Saturday.
Norwich has been hurt in the RPI by having to play Castleton and USM. Although your RPI doesn't take a hit if you win those games, it doesn't advance either, and Utica is getting a better quality of opposition. This is one of the problems with the RPI (and yes, Fishy, also the KRACH). You don't control who is on your schedule once the puck drops for the season.
My take (based on the PWR as of this morning)
Pool A (conferences in alphabetical order - assuming top surving seed wins)
CCC Endicott (7)
MASCAC Plymouth (47)
MIAC Concordia (MN) (30)
NCHA Adrian (5)
NEHC Norwich (1)
NESCAC Williams (11)
SUNYAC Geneseo (4)
UCHC Utica (2)
Pool C
Hobart (3)
UWEC (6)
Lake Forest (8)
Babson (9)
My (potentially flawed) reading of matchups (as of now)
"Geneva Regional"
Adrian/Geneseo —> Hobart
"Eau Clare Regional"
Concordia/Lake Forest —> UWEC
"Utica Regional"
Plymouth/Endicott —> Utica
"Northfield Regional"
Williams/Babson —> Norwich
UNE's loss drops them of Pool A, and out of Pool C as well, Babson now has the last Pool C slot. Endicott moves up to a Pool A spot
I would guess that if Utica passes Norwich in the PWR that their opponents would switch in the quarters.
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PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
As I expected, Utica jumps Norwich with their second semifinal round win.
If Utica wins twice or goes 1-0-1 vs Wilkes, I think they hold on to the No. 1 seed.
If Utica wins twice or goes 1-0-1 vs Wilkes, I think they hold on to the No. 1 seed.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
FWIW, Hobart has a much better better winning percentage and RPI than Wilkes does.
As I expected, Utica jumps Norwich with their second semifinal round win.
If Utica wins twice or goes 1-0-1 vs Wilkes, I think they hold on to the No. 1 seed.
FWIW, Hobart has a much better better winning percentage and RPI than Wilkes does.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
FWIW, Hobart has a much better better winning percentage and RPI than Wilkes does.
Yup. All that’s left to do is play the games in front of you and do what you can to win your game and then let the rest play out as it may.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Utica's complete body of work is stronger than Norwich's in my opinion. Plus, Utica is going to end up playing more games than Norwich did, so it will skew the numbers a little, but if Utica does win out, I think giving them the #1 overall seed would be fair
It’s hard to understand how any team could be ranked ahead of a team that hasn’t been scored on since January.
Utica's complete body of work is stronger than Norwich's in my opinion. Plus, Utica is going to end up playing more games than Norwich did, so it will skew the numbers a little, but if Utica does win out, I think giving them the #1 overall seed would be fair
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Which has nothing to do with PWR. Only a W or L or T. How get that result means nothing.
It’s hard to understand how any team could be ranked ahead of a team that hasn’t been scored on since January.
Which has nothing to do with PWR. Only a W or L or T. How get that result means nothing.
Which has nothing to do with PWR. Only a W or L or T. How get that result means nothing.
Sure, I understand completely and have no problem if that is the way the tournament is seeded.
It was more just an observation about how there is something to still be said about the eye test (not that Utica isn’t an excellent team.) I have never seen defensive statistics like Norwich is posting this season and I am a subscriber of the idea that defense wins in NCAA tournament games.
FWIW, Hobart has a much better better winning percentage and RPI than Wilkes does.
2 wins over #17 Wilkes > 1 win over #4 Hobart. Utica could actually go 1-0-1 next weekend and still keep the 1 seed
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
2 wins over #17 Wilkes > 1 win over #4 Hobart. Utica could actually go 1-0-1 next weekend and still keep the 1 seed
That was my thought as well...do you know that or are you speculating on the latter?
Perhaps the NEHC ADs/Coaches will look at the potential of where the norm is heading and add a round or two with two-game series if the PWR continues. I believe that gets voted on this spring at the coaches convention or the ncaa ice hockey committee meeting in June.
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That was my thought as well...do you know that or are you speculating on the latter?
Perhaps the NEHC ADs/Coaches will look at the potential of where the norm is heading and add a round or two with two-game series if the PWR continues. I believe that gets voted on this spring at the coaches convention or the ncaa ice hockey committee meeting in June.
Speculating
SomeRandomGuy
New member
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Of these teams, Concordia can only play Eau Claire without flying. And Lake Forest can only play Eau Claire or Adrian without flying. With that in mind, if this is the group of west teams we get, it seems very likely all four byes go west. That would give you Concordia at Eau Claire and Lake Forest at Adrian in the quarterfinals.
My (potentially flawed) reading of matchups (as of now)
"Geneva Regional"
Adrian/Geneseo —> Hobart
"Eau Clare Regional"
Concordia/Lake Forest —> UWEC
"Utica Regional"
Plymouth/Endicott —> Utica
"Northfield Regional"
Williams/Babson —> Norwich
UNE's loss drops them of Pool A, and out of Pool C as well, Babson now has the last Pool C slot. Endicott moves up to a Pool A spot
I would guess that if Utica passes Norwich in the PWR that their opponents would switch in the quarters.
Of these teams, Concordia can only play Eau Claire without flying. And Lake Forest can only play Eau Claire or Adrian without flying. With that in mind, if this is the group of west teams we get, it seems very likely all four byes go west. That would give you Concordia at Eau Claire and Lake Forest at Adrian in the quarterfinals.