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2019-20 pwr

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SomeRandomGuy said:
Of these teams, Concordia can only play Eau Claire without flying. And Lake Forest can only play Eau Claire or Adrian without flying. With that in mind, if this is the group of west teams we get, it seems very likely all four byes go west. That would give you Concordia at Eau Claire and Lake Forest at Adrian in the quarterfinals.
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Yeah, there's that "geographical" thing, which messes with the seedings and the sitings.

Perhaps -some fine day- the NCAA will divert a buck or two from the bloated pig that is the hoops tournament just to make D-3 hockey more of an equitable deal.
 
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So if I am reading this correctly, the #1 and #2 teams in the pairwise say Utica and Norwich or Norwich Utica wouldn't get a bye? That makes no sense unless I'm not interpreting this correctly.
 
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altazo said:
Sure, I understand completely and have no problem if that is the way the tournament is seeded.

It was more just an observation about how there is something to still be said about the eye test (not that Utica isn’t an excellent team.) I have never seen defensive statistics like Norwich is posting this season and I am a subscriber of the idea that defense wins in NCAA tournament games.
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Not arguing with that point.

NU has allowed amazingly few GAPG's this season, and Utica leads the nation in GPG.

That would be a fun watch, it it happens.
 
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capswon said:
So if I am reading this correctly, the #1 and #2 teams in the pairwise say Utica and Norwich or Norwich Utica wouldn't get a bye? That makes no sense unless I'm not interpreting this correctly.
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UC gets a bye. Take that to the bank, Caps.

Norwikh, too.

:D
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Not arguing with that point.

NU has allowed amazingly few GAPG's this season, and Utica leads the nation in GPG.

That would be a fun watch, it it happens.
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Sure would be fun to see those two standing face to face on the final day of season in Buffalo. With UC standing at the end of course!
 
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I made an error running the NCAA distance tool and thought that Concordia (MN) was listed as Concordia St. Paul. That changes things a bit.

On the other hand, if St. Thomas beats Concordia for the MIAC title, the 3 team triad set up will be in play. The NCAA has done the all 4 byes to the West setup in the past.
 
NUProf said:
Not if the current 12 teams are the ones standing next weekend.
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So the top four teams in the pairwise would not get a first round bye due to mileage? That is just absurd to me. I'll argue this like Fish argues the A.Q. vs. Regular season. So basically punish teams in the east or west just because of distance. Dumbest **** s*** I've ever heard of!
 
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Couldn't agree more. I'm tired of the NCAA and it's 500 mile rule. If they would only buck up and spend a few pennies out of their huge bank account to eliminate the dumbest rule ever then we would have a fair and equitable tournament that makes sense bracket-wise. The only ones that suffer are the student-athletes and all the hard work they put in over the course of the season. Maybe someday the NCAA will leave their ego at the door and make the 500 mile thing go away.
 
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capswon said:
So the top four teams in the pairwise would not get a first round bye due to mileage? That is just absurd to me. I'll argue this like Fish argues the A.Q. vs. Regular season. So basically punish teams in the east or west just because of distance. Dumbest **** s*** I've ever heard of!
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See 2019, with #4 SNC hosting #8 Augsburg in the opening round, with the winner facing undefeated #1 UWSP in the QFs.
 
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See 2019, with #4 SNC hosting #8 Augsburg in the opening round, with the winner facing undefeated #1 UWSP in the QFs.
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And, I believe it was that 2014 season, SNC was the tournament’s #1 overall seed and had to host Adrian in a first round game due to travel restrictions.
 
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I like the transparency of the PWR, but personally I miss the human touch of the smoke filled room.

Just one example:
Both Stevens Point and LFC are 18-6-3

-Stevens Point has not lost since 12/7/19
-LFC is 1-4-2 in their last 7 games (1-5-2 if you count their MG loss to Trine.)

If the season ended today, LFC is in.

If Concordia wins the MIAC, get ready for more drama after Point beats Eau Claire for a third time this season, perhaps leaving the entire WIAC out of the tournament.
 
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altazo said:
I like the transparency of the PWR, but personally I miss the human touch of the smoke filled room.

Just one example:
Both Stevens Point and LFC are 18-6-3

-Stevens Point has not lost since 12/7/19
-LFC is 1-4-2 in their last 7 games (1-5-2 if you count their MG loss to Trine.)

If the season ended today, LFC is in.

If Concordia wins the MIAC, get ready for more drama after Point beats Eau Claire for a third time this season, perhaps leaving the entire WIAC out of the tournament.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the WIAC left out - they bigfooted the NCHA and would deserve what they can reap as a consequence, but I think the chances of chocolate Eclairs not making the field are pretty remote.

Concordia's main impact is the 500 mile rule problems. The basis of awarding first round byes has always been based on proximity of opponents both in the smoky room days and now. It does seem that the NCAA gives more flexibility to some of the other sports in allowing for early round flights.
 
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Of course the elephant in the room is coronavirus. What happens if CDC strongly recommends not holding (if not prohibits) large events which brings people from other parts of the country together? (Looking at the NCAA basketball tournament)
 
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capswon said:
So the top four teams in the pairwise would not get a first round bye due to mileage? That is just absurd to me. I'll argue this like Fish argues the A.Q. vs. Regular season. So basically punish teams in the east or west just because of distance. Dumbest **** s*** I've ever heard of!
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Yep. And it's happened before and everyone went apesh*t.

It's even worse in football, where two perennial top ten teams almost always have to face each other in the first round (of a 32-team tournament!), because they are the only opponents they can face within 500 miles. It's insane.

Fish talks about throwing a few extra bucks to make hockey proper, but that's a narrow view of it. All D3 sports need a few extra bucks thrown their way to make their tournaments equitable. It adds up. And in the NCAA eyes, it adds up to too much, even though it's still a pittance in the grand budget.
 
NUProf said:
I wouldn't mind seeing the WIAC left out - they bigfooted the NCHA and would deserve what they can reap as a consequence, but I think the chances of chocolate Eclairs not making the field are pretty remote.

Concordia's main impact is the 500 mile rule problems. The basis of awarding first round byes has always been based on proximity of opponents both in the smoky room days and now. It does seem that the NCAA gives more flexibility to some of the other sports in allowing for early round flights.
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I don’t mind if the WIAC is left out either, but I do think the 18 (perhaps soon to be 19) win, defending National champions, who have not lost a game in 3 months should somehow be included.

Yes, I know they had a horrible start to the season and the PWR numbers are what they are.

I get it. Math.
 
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altazo said:
I don’t mind if the WIAC is left out either, but I do think the 18 (perhaps soon to be 19) win, defending National champions, who have not lost a game in 3 months should somehow be included.

Yes, I know they had a horrible start to the season and the PWR numbers are what they are.

I get it. Math.
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Not to sound like a jerk, then why bring it up?

It's PWR, PWR, PWR, PWR and absolutely nothing else. No eye test. No defending champions criteria. PWR, PWR, PWR, and absolutely nothing else.
 
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