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2019-20 pwr
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Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2019-20 pwr
I realize that. I wasn't singling-out hockey in that regard. The AQ-effect in hoops is somewhat diluted by the size of the field, though, and feels less egregious. (As in, you don't see a legitimate 11-seed displaced by a 47-seed.)
I'd prefer that the entire field be calculated by an objective metric, conference-affiliation be ****ed. (But, yes... That ain't gonna happen.)
So how about this: all eligible conferences get an AQ, but on the basis of the PWR, not on the basis of the tournament winner. (The conference tournaments are fun -go ahead and play them- but consider the results strictly as additional PWR fodder.) Then, seed and site the teams on the basis, again, of the PWR...
Funding a couple of plane trips would be pocket-change compared to the football/hoops revenue. The time has come to get it right(er)!
They don’t even select the field by what you call “merit” for D1 hoops. Every qualified conference gets an AQ and the league tournament determines the champ in every case. Most leagues include all teams in their tourney, too
I realize that. I wasn't singling-out hockey in that regard. The AQ-effect in hoops is somewhat diluted by the size of the field, though, and feels less egregious. (As in, you don't see a legitimate 11-seed displaced by a 47-seed.)
I'd prefer that the entire field be calculated by an objective metric, conference-affiliation be ****ed. (But, yes... That ain't gonna happen.)
So how about this: all eligible conferences get an AQ, but on the basis of the PWR, not on the basis of the tournament winner. (The conference tournaments are fun -go ahead and play them- but consider the results strictly as additional PWR fodder.) Then, seed and site the teams on the basis, again, of the PWR...
Funding a couple of plane trips would be pocket-change compared to the football/hoops revenue. The time has come to get it right(er)!
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Re: 2019-20 pwr
What does Babson need to stay in? Obviously they need some help but are there chances to be in higher then we think? Especially if there are 8 teams in the East. My thought is they will be the last team in or will the committee not want 3 NEHC teams in the tournament, even though that happened last year with UMB.
Norwich has been hurt in the RPI by having to play Castleton and USM. Although your RPI doesn't take a hit if you win those games, it doesn't advance either, and Utica is getting a better quality of opposition. This is one of the problems with the RPI (and yes, Fishy, also the KRACH). You don't control who is on your schedule once the puck drops for the season.
My take (based on the PWR as of this morning)
Pool A (conferences in alphabetical order - assuming top surving seed wins)
CCC Endicott (7)
MASCAC Plymouth (47)
MIAC Concordia (MN) (30)
NCHA Adrian (5)
NEHC Norwich (1)
NESCAC Williams (11)
SUNYAC Geneseo (4)
UCHC Utica (2)
Pool C
Hobart (3)
UWEC (6)
Lake Forest (8)
Babson (9)
My (potentially flawed) reading of matchups (as of now)
"Geneva Regional"
Adrian/Geneseo —> Hobart
"Eau Clare Regional"
Concordia/Lake Forest —> UWEC
"Utica Regional"
Plymouth/Endicott —> Utica
"Northfield Regional"
Williams/Babson —> Norwich
UNE's loss drops them of Pool A, and out of Pool C as well, Babson now has the last Pool C slot. Endicott moves up to a Pool A spot
I would guess that if Utica passes Norwich in the PWR that their opponents would switch in the quarters.
What does Babson need to stay in? Obviously they need some help but are there chances to be in higher then we think? Especially if there are 8 teams in the East. My thought is they will be the last team in or will the committee not want 3 NEHC teams in the tournament, even though that happened last year with UMB.
Birdwatcher
Registered User
What does Babson need to stay in? Obviously they need some help but are there chances to be in higher then we think? Especially if there are 8 teams in the East. My thought is they will be the last team in or will the committee not want 3 NEHC teams in the tournament, even though that happened last year with UMB.
No upsets !
No upsets !
What if Stevens Point upsets Eau-Claire? Does that affect Babson and other teams in the East or will they not give the WIAC 2 bids...
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
What does Babson need to stay in? Obviously they need some help but are there chances to be in higher then we think? Especially if there are 8 teams in the East. My thought is they will be the last team in or will the committee not want 3 NEHC teams in the tournament, even though that happened last year with UMB.
Again, it has nothing to do with the committee. They either get in with their PWR ranking or they don’t. Or win their conference tournament. That’s the only things that matter.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
That would depend how much Stevens Point would go up/Eau-Claire would drop. The WIAC isn't guaranteed any bids, so they can both make it...or neither can make it
What if Stevens Point upsets Eau-Claire? Does that affect Babson and other teams in the East or will they not give the WIAC 2 bids...
That would depend how much Stevens Point would go up/Eau-Claire would drop. The WIAC isn't guaranteed any bids, so they can both make it...or neither can make it
IceKnights20
Member
That would depend how much Stevens Point would go up/Eau-Claire would drop. The WIAC isn't guaranteed any bids, so they can both make it...or neither can make it
Just based on the RPI numbers right now. I’d say if Stevens Point wins they both make it. Assuming no other upsets
Just based on the RPI numbers right now. I’d say if Stevens Point wins they both make it. Assuming no other upsets
So there would be more than 4 teams from the West? How would this play out with the 500 mile rule
What if Stevens Point upsets Eau-Claire? Does that affect Babson and other teams in the East or will they not give the WIAC 2 bids...
SP will jump Babson if they beat Eau Claire. Tough to say where Trinity ends up if they win their semi final and lose to Williams in the final also
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
So there would be more than 4 teams from the West? How would this play out with the 500 mile rule
The NCAA pays up...
The NCAA pays up...
Gotcha.
Tom Coughlin
5x NCAA Champ/2x Super Bowl Champ
Re: 2019-20 pwr
This happened a couple of years ago (2018?). The west played out as:
- Marian @ Augsburg (Opening Round) -> SNC (QF)
- Adrian @ UWSP (QF)
This worked out well because only Augsburg and Adrian couldn't play each other.
A similar bracket would work if St. Thomas wins the MIAC.
So there would be more than 4 teams from the West? How would this play out with the 500 mile rule
This happened a couple of years ago (2018?). The west played out as:
- Marian @ Augsburg (Opening Round) -> SNC (QF)
- Adrian @ UWSP (QF)
This worked out well because only Augsburg and Adrian couldn't play each other.
A similar bracket would work if St. Thomas wins the MIAC.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Travel costs will determine byes, not rankings.
NU deserves the first round bye, quick glance they are 6-0 over teams ranked in the top 20 in PW rankings.
How many does your team have? Utica is 6-2.
Travel costs will determine byes, not rankings.
LakerEagleLover
New member
Re: 2019-20 pwr
+1Travel costs will determine byes, not rankings.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Bracket integrity is secondary to travel costs. Ideally, you would have seeds 1-4 with a bye, seeds 5-8 with first round home games and 9-12 on the road, but that could lead to too many flights.
Travel costs will determine byes, not rankings.
Bracket integrity is secondary to travel costs. Ideally, you would have seeds 1-4 with a bye, seeds 5-8 with first round home games and 9-12 on the road, but that could lead to too many flights.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Look at the losses though: Utica lost to PWR #14 Elmira and #20 Stevenson...Norwich lost to PWR #63 Castleton and #35 Middlebury.
Also, Utica is 7-2 against the Top 20.
NU deserves the first round bye, quick glance they are 6-0 over teams ranked in the top 20 in PW rankings.
How many does your team have? Utica is 6-2.
Look at the losses though: Utica lost to PWR #14 Elmira and #20 Stevenson...Norwich lost to PWR #63 Castleton and #35 Middlebury.
Also, Utica is 7-2 against the Top 20.
Birdwatcher
Registered User
Look at the losses though: Utica lost to PWR #14 Elmira and #20 Stevenson...Norwich lost to PWR #63 Castleton and #35 Middlebury.
Also, Utica is 7-2 against the Top 20.
It Just Doesn't Matter.....
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Doesn't matter, but Norwich is 7-0 against top 20 PWR teams.
Look at the losses though: Utica lost to PWR #14 Elmira and #20 Stevenson...Norwich lost to PWR #63 Castleton and #35 Middlebury.
Also, Utica is 7-2 against the Top 20.
Doesn't matter, but Norwich is 7-0 against top 20 PWR teams.