2 games against #8 will not be healthy.
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2019-20 pwr
- Thread starter joecct
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2 games against #8 will not be healthy.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2019-20 pwr
I'm not going to do the math, but if you want an arbitrary distance to bus teams, why not tailor it to the actual geography. Certainly there's a more workable number than 500 miles. (Even 550 miles would work better.)
That doesn't bother me. You have to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise you end up justifying busing teams 900 miles. Or more.
I'm not going to do the math, but if you want an arbitrary distance to bus teams, why not tailor it to the actual geography. Certainly there's a more workable number than 500 miles. (Even 550 miles would work better.)
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Well, it does matter in the objective PWR calculus -and quite apparently- as of now.
It Just Doesn't Matter.....
Well, it does matter in the objective PWR calculus -and quite apparently- as of now.
Birdwatcher
Registered User
I'm not going to do the math, but if you want an arbitrary distance to bus teams, why not tailor it to the actual geography. Certainly there's a more workable number than 500 miles. (Even 550 miles would work better.)
This is what the NCAA uses: https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
Birdwatcher
Registered User
Well, it does matter in the objective PWR calculus -and quite apparently- as of now.
It doesn't matter for bracket integrity. That was the indication of the post.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Bracket integrity is not relevant to the process (nor is is relevant in any D3 Championship tournament). Just like the Geico commercials - "its what they do."
Well, it does matter in the objective PWR calculus -and quite apparently- as of now.
Bracket integrity is not relevant to the process (nor is is relevant in any D3 Championship tournament). Just like the Geico commercials - "its what they do."
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Were we talking "bracket integrity" or just why the PW is what it is right now?
I was thinking the latter.
In any case, the D-3 hockey process is still deeply flawed.
Bracket integrity is not relevant to the process (nor is is relevant in any D3 Championship tournament). Just like the Geico commercials - "its what they do."
Were we talking "bracket integrity" or just why the PW is what it is right now?
I was thinking the latter.
In any case, the D-3 hockey process is still deeply flawed.
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PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
2 games against #8 will not be healthy.
Wasn’t saying the quarterfinal round had to be the series round. Maybe do it for the semis. In most years, all four semifinal participants will be 15 win teams or better.
Were we talking "bracket integrity" or just why the PW is what it is right now?
I was thinking the latter.
In any case, the D-3 hockey process is still deeply flawed.
There is no “bracket integrity” in the D3 tournament. Never has been. The way it works is; you have to beat every team you are scheduled to play until it is obvious that the tournament is over, and most of these teams will be pretty good and if you allow them to impose their style of play you may lose. That could happen in the first round or the last round.
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Better to do what the SUNYAC does - 6 teams in the field. If you do that, then make semis and finals decided by series.
Wasn’t saying the quarterfinal round had to be the series round. Maybe do it for the semis. In most years, all four semifinal participants will be 15 win teams or better.
Better to do what the SUNYAC does - 6 teams in the field. If you do that, then make semis and finals decided by series.
Re: 2019-20 pwr
One upset and you're playing a team with 7 or 8 wins twice. Prof's right - you want to go to series and you would probably want to cut down on the number of teams making the playoffs.
Wasn’t saying the quarterfinal round had to be the series round. Maybe do it for the semis. In most years, all four semifinal participants will be 15 win teams or better.
One upset and you're playing a team with 7 or 8 wins twice. Prof's right - you want to go to series and you would probably want to cut down on the number of teams making the playoffs.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Sure could, and that goes to my point.
Ironically, the big-bucks NCAA ("hypocritcal") football is selected and seeded far more equitably than is the low-budget D-3 hockey deal.
Go figger.
There is no “bracket integrity” in the D3 tournament. Never has been. The way it works is; you have to beat every team you are scheduled to play until it is obvious that the tournament is over, and most of these teams will be pretty good and if you allow them to impose their style of play you may lose. That could happen in the first round or the last round.
Sure could, and that goes to my point.
Ironically, the big-bucks NCAA ("hypocritcal") football is selected and seeded far more equitably than is the low-budget D-3 hockey deal.
Go figger.
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SomeRandomGuy
New member
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Is there an NCAA rule for maximum number of conference playoff games a school can play? I tried looking that up in the NCAA Division III manual but couldn't find anything specific.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I would love to see a four-team playoff with best-of-three semifinals the first weekend and a best-of-five championship series spread over the final two weekends before selections. That would be great for the top teams' SOS numbers.
Wasn’t saying the quarterfinal round had to be the series round. Maybe do it for the semis. In most years, all four semifinal participants will be 15 win teams or better.
Is there an NCAA rule for maximum number of conference playoff games a school can play? I tried looking that up in the NCAA Division III manual but couldn't find anything specific.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I would love to see a four-team playoff with best-of-three semifinals the first weekend and a best-of-five championship series spread over the final two weekends before selections. That would be great for the top teams' SOS numbers.
Is there an NCAA rule for maximum number of conference playoff games a school can play? I tried looking that up in the NCAA Division III manual but couldn't find anything specific.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I would love to see a four-team playoff with best-of-three semifinals the first weekend and a best-of-five championship series spread over the final two weekends before selections. That would be great for the top teams' SOS numbers.
Not sure if there’s a rule, but that’d be some entertaining hockey. That championship series would be a bloodbath
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Is there an NCAA rule for maximum number of conference playoff games a school can play? I tried looking that up in the NCAA Division III manual but couldn't find anything specific.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I would love to see a four-team playoff with best-of-three semifinals the first weekend and a best-of-five championship series spread over the final two weekends before selections. That would be great for the top teams' SOS numbers.
I doubt there is a rule? You’re pretty confined though with the regular season calendar and then when the NCAA tournament starts so it’s not like you can play best of 7 series etc.
The closest anyone in recent years has been to your scenario was the SUNYAC for a few years. They did top 6 teams made it...first round and semifinals was 2-game series with mini game if needed and then the championship was a best of 3 series.
Want to say they ended that format in 2005 or 2006?
Is there an NCAA rule for maximum number of conference playoff games a school can play? I tried looking that up in the NCAA Division III manual but couldn't find anything specific.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I would love to see a four-team playoff with best-of-three semifinals the first weekend and a best-of-five championship series spread over the final two weekends before selections. That would be great for the top teams' SOS numbers.
25 (24 NESCAC) regular season games before any tournaments. In theory, you could play best of 5 (or 7) series in the conference tournament, but you must finish it all on the Sunday before Selection Monday.
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The NCAA does not run the college football playoffs
Sure could, and that goes to my point.
Ironically, the big-bucks NCAA ("hypocritcal") football is selected and seeded far more equitably than is the low-budget D-3 hockey deal.
Go figger.
The NCAA does not run the college football playoffs
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: 2019-20 pwr
Not only that, they make very little money off of it, relatively speaking. Nothing close to the money they make off the BB tourney. The NCAA gets paid a "sanction fee" from all the bowl games, and it's not all that much, even if you add up all the 35+ bowl games. That's it.
The NCAA does not run the college football playoffs
Not only that, they make very little money off of it, relatively speaking. Nothing close to the money they make off the BB tourney. The NCAA gets paid a "sanction fee" from all the bowl games, and it's not all that much, even if you add up all the 35+ bowl games. That's it.
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The "Old" NCHA used best-of-two series in the quarters, semis and finals through 2001. Then it went to just in the quarters with single-elimination all the way through after that. The last year of the best-of-two series in the NCAA Quarterfinals was 2002.
The "Old" NCHA used best-of-two series in the quarters, semis and finals through 2001. Then it went to just in the quarters with single-elimination all the way through after that. The last year of the best-of-two series in the NCAA Quarterfinals was 2002.
LakerEagleLover
New member
Re: 2019-20 pwr
I read somewhere that NCAA revenues in 2019 were close to $1Billion dollars. In the past, 60% distributed back to D1 institutions and 40% kept by the association - not sure if those percentages change as the revs increase...Not only that, they make very little money off of it, relatively speaking. Nothing close to the money they make off the BB tourney. The NCAA gets paid a "sanction fee" from all the bowl games, and it's not all that much, even if you add up all the 35+ bowl games. That's it.