2017 Women's World Championships

[brokentwig]

Re: 2017 Women's World Championships

One of the key issues mentioned the whole time was the lack of games. The women wanted to play more, especially during the off Olympic years when they only played nine games a year. So, I'm sure more games will be scheduled.

Which brings about another question -- against whom? The only national team that can compete with USA is Canada (and Sweden once in a rare moment). So, who do you schedule to give them a fight? College teams like the USA men used to do back before the Olympic men teams were made up of pros?

They could scrimmage some of the Minnesota boy high school teams like they did back in 06. The USA Olympic team lost to the average Warroad Boys High School team. I think 2-1??? I am not sure how they would do against some of the top boy teams in the state of hockey but could give them the competition they will need to get past team Canada.

 

[clarksoncluck]

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They could scrimmage some of the Minnesota boy high school teams like they did back in 06. The USA Olympic team lost to the average Warroad Boys High School team. I think 2-1??? I am not sure how they would do against some of the top boy teams in the state of hockey but could give them the competition they will need to get past team Canada.

As most of you know the HC team, when centralized play all of the Midget AAA boys team (I think twice during the 9 month period). For the guys teams, this is not a meaningless game. If the guys team wins it, it is worth 2 points to their season and in the league. I've been to a few of these games and they are sold out usually. Off the start the games are more or less split (W/L), then in the middle of the season the HC team usually wins most, and then by the end of the 30+ games they split again as the boys teams usually figure out their systems and need the extra 2 points.

I give Mel Davidson a lot of credit for setting this up with Hockey Alberta (the HC team is centralized in Calgary, AB). This is a great opportunity for great competition, and a very good money maker for the Midget AAA teams. I think the boys team gets the gate which on average is 1000+ X $10 to $15/ticket. Draws a bunch of interest, makes money and prepares HC's team. As tough as the Lam's are, or Knight, the boys bring it and your battling against some 6' 3'+ guys every other night.

Good on HC and Mel D for setting this up. I think this is the best way to get the HC team ready. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[DC78-82]

Re: 2017 Women's World Championships

One of the key issues mentioned the whole time was the lack of games. The women wanted to play more, especially during the off Olympic years when they only played nine games a year. So, I'm sure more games will be scheduled.

Which brings about another question -- against whom? The only national team that can compete with USA is Canada (and Sweden once in a rare moment). So, who do you schedule to give them a fight? College teams like the USA men used to do back before the Olympic men teams were made up of pros?

Doesn't the Canadian Women's National Team skate in a men's league, at least in the year leading up to the Olympics? Seems to prepare them pretty well.

 

[BoSox3066]

One of the key issues mentioned the whole time was the lack of games. The women wanted to play more, especially during the off Olympic years when they only played nine games a year. So, I'm sure more games will be scheduled.

Which brings about another question -- against whom? The only national team that can compete with USA is Canada (and Sweden once in a rare moment). So, who do you schedule to give them a fight? College teams like the USA men used to do back before the Olympic men teams were made up of pros?

Im not sure. I think it was 2009, I saw them play a team of Hockey East allstars st the Whit in New Hampshire. Something like that? Or an NWHL non-Olympic allstar team?

Basically whatever will put families in the seats. Make it $10 a head or $5 for youth/high school players. Small gates better than no gate.

 

[D2D]

Re: 2017 Women's World Championships

They could scrimmage some of the Minnesota boy high school teams like they did back in 06. The USA Olympic team lost to the average Warroad Boys High School team. I think 2-1??? I am not sure how they would do against some of the top boy teams in the state of hockey but could give them the competition they will need to get past team Canada.

I went to their scrimmage game vs. Hopkins that year, and it was a very entertaining and close game that went down to the wire. As I recall the women won 6-5 but were hanging on at the end. So games like that have to be good for them. Pagel arena was also completely sold out, so it was a very exciting atmosphere.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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As I said in the other thread. Congrats on standing strong to the women. I just can't wait to see how much my USA Hockey fee goes up and if they start taking away some of the grants and things they do at the lower level to offset the 100k salaries. I'm sure it won't be coming out of the pockets of the suit and ties at USA Hockey.

 

[ne7minder]

Re: 2017 Women's World Championships

Im not sure. I think it was 2009, I saw them play a team of Hockey East allstars st the Whit in New Hampshire. Something like that? Or an NWHL non-Olympic allstar team?

Basically whatever will put families in the seats. Make it $10 a head or $5 for youth/high school players. Small gates better than no gate.

The mens U18 national team plays mens college teams, maybe the women could do the same although most of the teams are not up to Canada's level. It would be nice if the NC$$ would not count the games played against the national team in the total permitted for D-I teams as a way of promoting the game.

 

[ne7minder]

Re: 2017 Women's World Championships

Doesn't the Canadian Women's National Team skate in a men's league, at least in the year leading up to the Olympics? Seems to prepare them pretty well.

Also might explain why they play like thugs

 

[Twolinepass]

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And Twolinepass still won't get it...

It is amazing how the entire women's hockey community stood firm.

I was simply stating that I was surprised that some of the contacted replacement players did not say yes. For 99.99% of them, their hockey career is over after their last college game so why not say yes? Don't read too much into what I said.

I am happy for the national team players. They stuck it to the establishment. They get to do something they like to do and that they are very good at. And now they get paid a fair wage for all their efforts and don't have to produce any revenue like most of us 9 to 5ers. It is the perfect gig. But some times that revenue business catches up to you as we unfortunately heard from ND today.

 

[wpiguy]

As I said in the other thread. Congrats on standing strong to the women. I just can't wait to see how much my USA Hockey fee goes up and if they start taking away some of the grants and things they do at the lower level to offset the 100k salaries. I'm sure it won't be coming out of the pockets of the suit and ties at USA Hockey.

Agreed. I think I know who will be footing the bill. That will be you and me. Cant wait to see those USA Hockey dues go up. And don't be fooled by the "we are doing this for future generations of female hockey players" mantra. This is about a miniscule percentage of female players who are tired of making ends meet and want to make hockey a full time vocation, even though there is no paying market to support said career. Therefore, the good hockey paying public is left to foot the bill once again. So when Earl and Sally from Edina sign up their kids to play youth hockey they better be ready to fork over more dough to UncleSam Hockey to get their kids on the ice. And if Earl or Sally want to coach said kids, they will also be paying more in dues. But the good news is Megan Duggan can train year around now without a pesky little thing like a job getting in the way and Hilary Knight can take a "friend" with her to Europe or Korea or wherever else the US team might be headed.

 

[shelfit]

Agreed. I think I know who will be footing the bill. That will be you and me. Cant wait to see those USA Hockey dues go up. And don't be fooled by the "we are doing this for future generations of female hockey players" mantra. This is about a miniscule percentage of female players who are tired of making ends meet and want to make hockey a full time vocation, even though there is no paying market to support said career. Therefore, the good hockey paying public is left to foot the bill once again. So when Earl and Sally from Edina sign up their kids to play youth hockey they better be ready to fork over more dough to UncleSam Hockey to get their kids on the ice. And if Earl or Sally want to coach said kids, they will also be paying more in dues. But the good news is Megan Duggan can train year around now without a pesky little thing like a job getting in the way and Hilary Knight can take a "friend" with her to Europe or Korea or wherever else the US team might be headed.

Wow, how do you really feel?! A nasty little attitude comes shooting out of your post, and you personalized it directly using two players in particular. What a nice guy you are. I guess the "wpi" in your handle must stand for "woefully p*ssed ignoramus."

 

[Eeyore]

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If USA Hockey didn't want players traveling to tournaments with a friend (or even a "friend"), they always had the option of not paying for their men's players to do so. If they don't, their legal obligation is to allow the women to do so as well. So long as it's USA Hockey paying, it doesn't matter how many paying customers those players may or may not have in an entirely different league. I advise reading the Amateur Sports Act of 1978, as amended in 1998.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Also might explain why they play like thugs

Ouch!

 

[Russell Jaslow]

I was simply stating that I was surprised that some of the contacted replacement players did not say yes. For 99.99% of them, their hockey career is over after their last college game so why not say yes? Don't read too much into what I said.

Okay.

I am happy for the national team players. They stuck it to the establishment. They get to do something they like to do and that they are very good at. And now they get paid a fair wage for all their efforts and don't have to produce any revenue like most of us 9 to 5ers. It is the perfect gig. But some times that revenue business catches up to you as we unfortunately heard from ND today.

Many sports don't really produce revenue. They are supported by sponsor money. And how much revenue does college sports really produce? Hint, hardly any once you get past the major programs. Yet, our tuition money and tax dollars support the majority of those programs.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Agreed. I think I know who will be footing the bill. That will be you and me. Cant wait to see those USA Hockey dues go up. And don't be fooled by the "we are doing this for future generations of female hockey players" mantra. This is about a miniscule percentage of female players who are tired of making ends meet and want to make hockey a full time vocation, even though there is no paying market to support said career. Therefore, the good hockey paying public is left to foot the bill once again. So when Earl and Sally from Edina sign up their kids to play youth hockey they better be ready to fork over more dough to UncleSam Hockey to get their kids on the ice. And if Earl or Sally want to coach said kids, they will also be paying more in dues. But the good news is Megan Duggan can train year around now without a pesky little thing like a job getting in the way and Hilary Knight can take a "friend" with her to Europe or Korea or wherever else the US team might be headed.

How much money does USA Hockey make from the USA Men's National team? Yet, they pay for these multi-millionaires to bring a friend with them and for business class travel and per diem expenses.

How much of your dues is paying for these expenses for multi-millionaires? Where's your outrage in that?

Or, do you like to spend your hard earned money on multi-millionaires getting free transportation, free friend transportation, etc.? You must, because I don't see you b*tch*ng about multi-millionaires getting freebies off of your dues...

 

[clarksoncluck]

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If USA Hockey didn't want players traveling to tournaments with a friend (or even a "friend"), they always had the option of not paying for their men's players to do so. If they don't, their legal obligation is to allow the women to do so as well. So long as it's USA Hockey paying, it doesn't matter how many paying customers those players may or may not have in an entirely different league. I advise reading the Amateur Sports Act of 1978, as amended in 1998.

Kudos to the women from the NWT. I have sons and daughters. All played or still do play. I never put a financial stop on anyone of their development. I didn't set up a spreadsheet to project who could make the most money back for the family for dollars spent. They each received all the training which we could afford (no matter their gender)!!! I enjoy watching female hockey as much or more than male hockey (2 of my boys play pro in Europe).

None are married yet, but when it comes down to weddings, we will put as much into each wedding as the others. Or make it up in the will. haha

Many of my best employees are female and they work heavy equipment. So they are not holding highway signs. This is 2017, so those that have mommy issues or never had a sister should do some therapy, or read a little.

I find Pro hockey boring as H! Can't sit through a whole NHL game but have no problem watching good NCAA women's games. Went to a NHL game recently (Montreal/Avalanche) and the score got ran up quickly and after forking out $$$$'s was bored as crap. Women's hockey when played by the better teams is a gem. Best value for your dollar in my mind.

BTW, this is in agreement with the above comment.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

How much money does USA Hockey make from the USA Men's National team? Yet, they pay for these multi-millionaires to bring a friend with them and for business class travel and per diem expenses.

How much of your dues is paying for these expenses for multi-millionaires? Where's your outrage in that?

Or, do you like to spend your hard earned money on multi-millionaires getting free transportation, free friend transportation, etc.? You must, because I don't see you b*tch*ng about multi-millionaires getting freebies off of your dues...

Winner

 

[Sean Pickett]

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The mens U18 national team plays mens college teams, maybe the women could do the same although most of the teams are not up to Canada's level. It would be nice if the NC$$ would not count the games played against the national team in the total permitted for D-I teams as a way of promoting the game.

The NCAA already does this. From the 2016-17 Division I Manual:

17.13.5.3 Annual Exemptions. The maximum number of ice hockey contests shall exclude the following:
(Revised: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 9/6/00, 2/24/03, 1/14/08)
(h) U.S. Olympic Team. One ice hockey contest each year against the U.S. Olympic ice hockey team during that team’s training for participation in the Winter Olympics; (Adopted: 1/16/93)
(l) U.S. National Team. One game played against any team as selected and designated by the appropriate national governing body for ice hockey as a U.S. national team (e.g., “Under-21” U.S. national team);

So, they could play a game every season against every DI women's team, just like many men's teams play an annual game against the men's National U18 team. However, I think it would be unlikely to get many, if any, of the men's teams to play against the women's national team.

Sean

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

The NCAA already does this. From the 2016-17 Division I Manual:

17.13.5.3 Annual Exemptions. The maximum number of ice hockey contests shall exclude the following:
(Revised: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 9/6/00, 2/24/03, 1/14/08)
(h) U.S. Olympic Team. One ice hockey contest each year against the U.S. Olympic ice hockey team during that team’s training for participation in the Winter Olympics; (Adopted: 1/16/93)
(l) U.S. National Team. One game played against any team as selected and designated by the appropriate national governing body for ice hockey as a U.S. national team (e.g., “Under-21” U.S. national team);

So, they could play a game every season against every DI women's team, just like many men's teams play an annual game against the men's National U18 team. However, I think it would be unlikely to get many, if any, of the men's teams to play against the women's national team.

Sean

Having seen the men's U18 team play in Plattsburgh several times, I personally would LOVE to see the women's U18 team do the same!

 

[joecct]

Having seen the men's U18 team play in Plattsburgh several times, I personally would LOVE to see the women's U18 team do the same!

Except the men's U18 team is nationalized in Plymouth, MI while the women's U18 team is in high school.

What I'd like would be the USWNT play every NCAA D1 team on the road to Korea.