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2017 Pairwise Predictor

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If the Gophers are hosting, it means they just went through Duluth and Wisconsin to win the WCHA. I would not want to face that team.

it looks to me like if that happened, MN would be #3, with Clarkson/StL winner being #2 unless Cornell or Princeton prevailed, in which case MN would be #2 :)
Timothy would be very happy, UMD would be #3

I wonder if they have the software worked out on the bionic leg of #21 :confused:
 
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Edit: Never mind. I forgot to include the effect of a Minnesota loss to Wisconsin in the WCHA final on its record vs. common opponents comparison with UMD. This would make that criterion tied, and UMD wins the comparison with RPI is the tiebreaker. I'll leave what I wrote below so that people can pick apart other aspects of my thought process, but it probably doesn't matter.


Grant, is this intended as a Pairwise Predictor, or just an RPI calculator? I ask, because if it's the former, it's returning incorrect results for some scenarios of the UMN/UMD comparison. If Minnesota beats UMD in the WCHA semifinal, they would win the individual comparison with the Bulldogs.* UMD would have a slight edge in RPI, Minnesota would have a slight edge in Record vs. Common Opponents, and the Gophers pick up a point for the head-to-head results.

In some cases, this makes a big difference. Take the scenario where:

1) Someone other than BC wins Hockey East;
2) Clarkson and St Lawrence meet in the ECAC final;
3) Wisconsin beats Minnesota in the WCHA final;
4) The CHA does whatever it wants (I think I covered all of the possibilities.)

This leaves UMD and UMN at #4 and #5 respectively in your calculator, except that I'm pretty sure it should be the other way around and the Gophers would host.

This also leads to some complicated outcomes. Take this scenario:

1) BC wins Hockey East;
2) Clarkson and St Lawrence play in the ECAC final;
3) Wisconsin beats Minnesota in the WCHA final;
4) Robert Morris and Syracuse play in the CHA final (I'm tired of running through all of those possibilities.)

Your calculator has UMD, BC, and UMN at #4, #5, and #6, in that order. But, we'd have a situation in which UMD wins the comparison vs. BC, BC wins the comparison vs. UMN, and UMN beats UMD. I seem to remember that the NCAA uses some not entirely intuitive process to resolve this sort of thing, but I can't remember what it is.

Or take this scenario:

1) Northeastern beats BC in the Hockey East final;
2) Clarkson and Cornell play in the ECAC final;
3) Wisconsin beats Minnesota in the WCHA final;
4) Robert Morris and Syracuse play in the CHA final.

This causes the calculator to give us UMD at #3, St Lawrence at #4, and UMN at #5, but we again have a round robin of actual comparison wins: UMD over StL; StL over UMN; UMN over UMD. Here, UMD and StL have almost identical RPIs, and they have about a .003 edge on UMN, so I suspect that the committee would see them as getting the #3 and #4 spots, except that travel restrictions would mean a UMN/UMD matchup, and I seem to remember precedent that the team that wins the individual comparison would host any particular matchup, thus leading to that game being in Minneapolis, despite that nominally being the #5 team hosting the #3 team and making a complete hash of the logic that made StL the #4 seed.

*This, and everything that follows, assumes that the NCAA doesn't just decide that RPI is the only thing that matters.
 
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It does indeed do full Pairwise. I have the grid tab still available, it's just hidden. I can unhide it if you like so you can examine individual comparisons.

EDIT: It's all set, refresh the page and the grid tab should be there.
 
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*This, and everything that follows, assumes that the NCAA doesn't just decide that RPI is the only thing that matters.
Any time there is a tie, use RPI to break it and you won't be far wrong.
 
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My favorite part about the Pairwise is finding the worst possible brackets, and I think I might have found it. Just have NoDak win the WCHA!

(1) Wisconsin
(2) Clarkson
(3) St. Lawrence
(4) Minnesota-Duluth
(5) Boston College
(6) Minnesota
(7) Robert Morris
(8) North Dakota

8 ND @ 4 UMD
6 UM @ 1 UW

7 RMU @ 2 Clarkson
5 BC @ 3 SLU

It's an all east vs. all west semifinal, too.

I feel an evil laugh coming on!
 
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My favorite part about the Pairwise is finding the worst possible brackets, and I think I might have found it. Just have NoDak win the WCHA!

(1) Wisconsin
(2) Clarkson
(3) St. Lawrence
(4) Minnesota-Duluth
(5) Boston College
(6) Minnesota
(7) Robert Morris
(8) North Dakota

8 ND @ 4 UMD
6 UM @ 1 UW

7 RMU @ 2 Clarkson
5 BC @ 3 SLU

It's an all east vs. all west semifinal, too.

I feel an evil laugh coming on!

Yuck!

I think that qualifies as "bulletin board material" for the Wisconsin locker room this week: "Prevent this from happening!"
 
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Beat everyone, all of the time, and you don't have to worry about who you play.

Some teams a harder to beat.....I agree, but I would not be happy getting the rodents @ LaBahn for the quarters, but I know the ncaa doesn't give a crap about bracket integrity, in women's hockey anyway.
 
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So with Cornell's Semi-Final win, UMD has now locked up a home game next weekend.

UMD can't fall lower than #3, unless MN wins the WCHA, and even then, they would only slip to #4.

Minnesota is in the tournament, but can only get a home game if they win the WCHA Tourney, and if they do, they will be either the #2 or #3 overall. Essentially, it will be impossible for the Gophers and Badgers to play in the Frozen Four semi's this year - assuming the NC$$ keeps with its priority of avoiding travel.

BC is still in a position where it can go anywhere from hosting a home game to missing the tournament. BC will host if UMD wins the WCHA and they win HE. BC can also host if WI wins the WCHA, but only if they end up playing and beating BU in the HE final. BC can not host if MN wins the WCHA. BC would miss the tournament if BU or NU wins HE and Cornell wins the ECAC.

Cornell is in the tournament, unless BU or NU wins Hockey East (and they lose to Clarkson, of course).
 
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No. The discussion is regards the NC$$ in general and the 1st round home site. So going to Mpls is very iffy and St. Charles the ultimate goal

Actually, at that point of the conversation, the discussion was about who would be playing in the WCHA semi-final (and what needed to happen there for BC to get a 1st round home game), and since the WCHA tourney is at Ridder this year, everyone was going to Minneapolis - even if the Gophers had lost to BSU.
 
Actually, at that point of the conversation, the discussion was about who would be playing in the WCHA semi-final (and what needed to happen there for BC to get a 1st round home game), and since the WCHA tourney is at Ridder this year, everyone was going to Minneapolis - even if the Gophers had lost to BSU.

Not the conversation I was responding to.
 
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Not the conversation I was responding to.

No. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

To rewind the tape:
TTT said that for BC to get a home game in the NCAA's, they needed Duluth to beat MN in the WCHA Semi's.
You responded by saying that if MN keeps playing poorly that BSU would win, and BSU would play UMD in the WCHA semi's.
ARM reminded you that the WCHA reseeds before the Final Face off, and thus BSU would play WI instead of UMD if they beat Duluth.
You made your BSU would travel to Duluth comment to save money comment.
I reminded you that the WCHA tournament would be in Minneapolis regardless.
Now you're claiming you weren't talking about the WCHA tournament, and if BSU had beat MN, they would have automatically gone onto the NCAA tournament, I guess?
 
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