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2016 NCAA Tournament Thread

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The Ivies caved-in to the lure of a few extra bucks, it seems. My guess is that they were the last to do so because most of them are ridiculously wealthy already, and don't stand to make much more money from an Ivy tournament in any case.

D-3 hockey is an even lower revenue sport than is Ivy hoops. It's hard to imagine that any D-3 conference tournament outside of those hosted by, say, Platty, Oswego or Utica breaks even, at least in the East.

So why do they do it..? All I can attribute it to is the copycat mentality, because there's no reason whatsoever to stage these sideshows, let alone attach so much import to them.

Why have a D3 tournment then??? Just have some math geeks(said with love!) figure a formula to see who the best team is and hand them the trophy....The essence of all sports it to actually go out and compete on the ice: how many miracle's on ice would happen if we didn't play the games???
 
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Don't the Lakers have a good baseball team?? Serious question and I don't feel like looking it up....

Currently 7-0, went to the NCAAs last year and have not had a losing season since 2011, so I'd say it's a pretty good program...Cortland is generally the team to beat in SUNYAC baseball though...
 
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Currently 7-0, went to the NCAAs last year and have not had a losing season since 2011, so I'd say it's a pretty good program...Cortland is generally the team to beat in SUNYAC baseball though...



I am very familiar with Cortland as they and USM meet almost annually in the D3 Championsip....I remember looking at the results of some of Cortland's games last year and the only team that seemed to hang with them was Oswego hence why I asked the questions...Good for them, he is hoping they knock them off this year! Ok, back to the topic at hand and apologies for hijacking the thread! :)
 
Doubt very much that whatever shared revenue, if any, that's accrued from a crowd of 1,000 has that tournament and its participants breaking even. (Which goes directly to that aspect of my point.)

Do you have any clue what is paid for to host a standard league championship?
 
The Ivies caved-in to the lure of a few extra bucks, it seems. My guess is that they were the last to do so because most of them are ridiculously wealthy already, and don't stand to make much more money from an Ivy tournament in any case.

D-3 hockey is an even lower revenue sport than is Ivy hoops. It's hard to imagine that any D-3 conference tournament outside of those hosted by, say, Platty, Oswego or Utica breaks even, at least in the East.

So why do they do it..? All I can attribute it to is the copycat mentality, because there's no reason whatsoever to stage these sideshows, let alone attach so much import to them.

The hockey tournament is the biggest money maker for the SUNYAC.

Better luck next time...
 
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The hockey tournament is the biggest money maker for the SUNYAC.

Better luck next time...

Well, I already cited Oswego and Platty as (likely) profitable venues, and one or the other hosts the SUNYAC thing most of the time. Get back to me about the profitability of the great bulk of the other D-3 tournaments.

Better luck to you, too.
 
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Do you have any clue what is paid for to host a standard league championship?

I don't. Nor do I know if any revenue is shared... But I can pretty-much guarantee you that when a few hundred fans (in most cases; see below) show up to pay their $5 admission, it doesn't even begin to cover the collective expenses incurred. And I'd bet the farm that this is the case far more often than not.

Give it up, guys. There's no reason at all to play conferences tournaments in D-3 hockey. They don't make any money in a broad sense, and they are awarded a ridiculous amount of weight in terms of the national field selection process. I'd much rather see teams play a couple more OOC games during the RS, which would provide at least a little more useful comparative data.
 
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Salem State and Salve both getting demolished by 7-1 scores...

Gotta love those extraneous AQs; they almost never advance, but at least they pour a lot of money into the collective D-3 pot via their lucrative conference tournaments. :rolleyes:
 
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Salem State and Salve both getting demolished by 7-1 scores...

Gotta love those extraneous AQs; they almost never advance, but at least they pour a lot of money into the collective D-3 pot via their lucrative conference tournaments. :rolleyes:

Extraneaous? I would argue you don't understand how the NCAA approaches its championships.

These are not tournaments of the best "x" number of teams in the country. Never have been.* They are national tournaments with representatives of the member conferences, with at large bids to round out the field.

Let's take D1 hoops as the example and go from there.

These aren't the best 68 teams which will be chosen tonight. There are the 32 automatic bids, then the next 36 at-large teams. It's clear that the NCAA wants it this way because of the Cinderella factor. Think Florida Gulf Coast from a few years ago. Likely wouldn't have been most people's list of the best 68 teams. But with its conference getting an automatic bid, they get in, win a couple of games, and become a media darling.

I doubt that most people believe that Holy Cross (14-19), Austin Peay (18-17), Fairleigh Dickinson (18-14), or even teams with good/decent records such as Stony Brook (26-6) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (23-12) are one of the best 68 teams in the nation or, for the most part, better than the 7/8th place team in the ACC, Big Ten or SEC. But it doesn't matter. It is a NATIONAL tournament with representation reflecting the wide makeup of the NCAA.

The unfortunate part, from the D3 hockey perspective, is that while the bouncyball people have more at-large bids in the money-gorging D1 tournament than auto-bids, we only have the four non-AQ bids. But the approach remains the same: be a member of a conference meeting the qualifying standards, and you will be a part of this NATIONAL tournament.

And, I don't think it's going to change. Realistically, maybe only teams from the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC 12, SEC, and Big East have a chance to win the D1 tourney. But the Horizon League's Butler getting to the title game helps define March Madness. And that also means there are many more teams in the 25 other conferences with votes at the convention that want to make sure they have a seat at the table, as it were. In D3 hockey, I doubt even the 'power conferences' would say "Sure, take away our automatic bid so we might be able to get a third team in the tournament." I would think they want that safety net for perceived "down" years.

You may think that because of the lopsided losses that Salem State and Salve are extraneaous. I would argue their presence is the very point of the tournament. Earn your way in, and you have chance. Holy Cross CAN beat Minnesota. (Yeah!).


* The only exception might be track, where it's not teams that advance, but the team title is given to the school that accumulates the most points based on its individual qualifiers. But that's not really a team-vs.team situation because no school is putting up its full roster/depth against another. It's a different methodology than basketball, volleyball, football, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc etc and so on.
 
Extraneaous? I would argue you don't understand how the NCAA approaches its championships.

These are not tournaments of the best "x" number of teams in the country. Never have been.* They are national tournaments with representatives of the member conferences, with at large bids to round out the field.

Let's take D1 hoops as the example and go from there.

These aren't the best 68 teams which will be chosen tonight. There are the 32 automatic bids, then the next 36 at-large teams. It's clear that the NCAA wants it this way because of the Cinderella factor. Think Florida Gulf Coast from a few years ago. Likely wouldn't have been most people's list of the best 68 teams. But with its conference getting an automatic bid, they get in, win a couple of games, and become a media darling.

I doubt that most people believe that Holy Cross (14-19), Austin Peay (18-17), Fairleigh Dickinson (18-14), or even teams with good/decent records such as Stony Brook (26-6) and Wisconsin-Green Bay (23-12) are one of the best 68 teams in the nation or, for the most part, better than the 7/8th place team in the ACC, Big Ten or SEC. But it doesn't matter. It is a NATIONAL tournament with representation reflecting the wide makeup of the NCAA.

The unfortunate part, from the D3 hockey perspective, is that while the bouncyball people have more at-large bids in the money-gorging D1 tournament than auto-bids, we only have the four non-AQ bids. But the approach remains the same: be a member of a conference meeting the qualifying standards, and you will be a part of this NATIONAL tournament.

And, I don't think it's going to change. Realistically, maybe only teams from the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC 12, SEC, and Big East have a chance to win the D1 tourney. But the Horizon League's Butler getting to the title game helps define March Madness. And that also means there are many more teams in the 25 other conferences with votes at the convention that want to make sure they have a seat at the table, as it were. In D3 hockey, I doubt even the 'power conferences' would say "Sure, take away our automatic bid so we might be able to get a third team in the tournament." I would think they want that safety net for perceived "down" years.

You may think that because of the lopsided losses that Salem State and Salve are extraneaous. I would argue their presence is the very point of the tournament. Earn your way in, and you have chance. Holy Cross CAN beat Minnesota. (Yeah!).


* The only exception might be track, where it's not teams that advance, but the team title is given to the school that accumulates the most points based on its individual qualifiers. But that's not really a team-vs.team situation because no school is putting up its full roster/depth against another. It's a different methodology than basketball, volleyball, football, baseball, hockey, soccer, etc etc and so on.

Hook...line...sinker...have fun beating your head against the wall lol
 
Undeserved AQs??

Undeserved AQs??

Gotta love those extraneous AQs; they almost never advance, but at least they pour a lot of money into the collective D-3 pot via their lucrative conference tournaments. :rolleyes:

Since 2005, the ECAC/NE and MASCAC representatives have gone a collective 2-16 in the tourney. UMD beat Genny and the MASCAC and NE faced each other in the first round in 2012. They were outscored 80-33 and the average score was 4.4 to 1.8.

I don't begrudge giving a "participation" award, but not at the expense of a team with a legitimate chance to win the whole thing.
 
Since 2005, the ECAC/NE and MASCAC representatives have gone a collective 2-16 in the tourney. UMD beat Genny and the MASCAC and NE faced each other in the first round in 2012. They were outscored 80-33 and the average score was 4.4 to 1.8.

I don't begrudge giving a "participation" award, but not at the expense of a team with a legitimate chance to win the whole thing.

And now this stupid conversation, for stupid people, has spread to hockey. It's not a participation trophy, donkey. Teams improve through recruiting, recruits are attracted to NCAA tournament berths. If a team can consistently win one of these "lesser" leagues, they will consistently appear in the tourney, and they will eventually close the gap a bit (see Curry College football in the mid-2000s). Your model keeps these programs stagnant. If you care about d3 college hockey, you want the competition to improve. As it is, in the broad view, many people don't respect it like other sports due to the low number of total teams competing.

Bawlzee to claim a legitimate chance to "win it all" if you can't win your league. Obviously, it happens from time to time, and that's what at-large bids are for. That said, tough to cry about missing your run to the national title while being knocked out of your own tourney.
 
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The facts speak for themselves. It's been 10+ years, and no appreciable improvement.
 
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HUGE debate on ESPN's Mike and Mike. Should the NCAA DI Basketball get rid of all Automatic Qualifiers, and go 1-64 for the best teams. Fish? Fish? Fish?
 
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It is also noteworthy, that the conferences are under NO obligation to award their AQ to the conference Championship winner.
 
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I think there are some good points either way on this, but as long as the rules are out before the season starts.Also we dont want the old smokie room to play to big a part,but no matter what we will always have the MY TEAM GOT SCREWED thread I am sure:D
 
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