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2016 NCAA Tournament Thread

Fishman'81 said:
Gotta love how you made elbo's point for him, "donkey"... If the AQ's truly improve recruiting, why do certain conferences remain weak-sisters regardless of having them year after year?
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True or False: those teams have improved and have gotten more competitive.

The answer is true.
 
norm1909 said:
Hint so you can find what you ARE missing:

Division III strength of schedule (SOS)*
- Consisting of Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP) and

- Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage (OOWP)
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Those aren't DII opponents though like has been claimed. If you scheduled Canton twice on your own then you have no one to blame but yourselves for it killing your SOS and not getting in. Maybe if you guys would get out of the east once in a while and head west you'd get a real nice SOS boost.
 
Sir Nubs said:
Those aren't DII opponents though like has been claimed. If you scheduled Canton twice on your own then you have no one to blame but yourselves for it killing your SOS and not getting in. Maybe if you guys would get out of the east once in a while and head west you'd get a real nice SOS boost.
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Some opponents are mandated. I believe Canton v SUNYAC is mandated.
 
joecct said:
Some opponents are mandated. I believe Canton v SUNYAC is mandated.
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Then it goes back to my original post: beat Williams and you're in or win your AQ and you're in. Either one of those two games turns into a win and Plattsburg(h) is in the tournament. Or not end up playing a patsy like Middlebury twice.
 
Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament Thread

PSUChamps2001 said:
So now we should have a criteria based on last years performance? That is one of the all time dumbest things ever. Maybe we should have a "best appearing jersey" criteria too lol

Oh and by the way, I know of at least one National Champion that has given up 8 goals in a game, lost by 6 and went on to win the National Title.....

And upon further review....another one off of the boards...

2005-2006 Augsburg 7 SNC 4

SNC 23-4-2...I guess they shouldn't have been in the dance that year either...
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So, I admit to my mistake in my line of thinking last year, to the point of saying that I had to eat crow, and you go on to bash me for it? Glad I'm not your friend.

The last question was just a question which started with "Out of curiosity". Thanks for answering it (sarcastically).
 
Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament Thread

Sir Nubs said:
Those aren't DII opponents though like has been claimed. If you scheduled Canton twice on your own then you have no one to blame but yourselves for it killing your SOS and not getting in. Maybe if you guys would get out of the east once in a while and head west you'd get a real nice SOS boost.
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Stick with me here...

Norwich, who Plattsburgh played twice had a record of 17-8-2.
Norwich, who also plays 4 games against DII opponents (mandatory), had an NCAA Record of 14-8-1

Several other of Plattsburgh's mandatory opponents played DII opponents, thus losing X amount of wins comes NCAA Record (as far as SOS goes).

If you look at the DIII KRACH SOS and look at Plattsburgh's SOS vs UWSP SOS then look at the DII/DIII KRACH you would see that Plattsburgh and UWSP switch spots. Plattsburgh overtakes UWSP in SOS by adding those DII teams in. A flip in SOS would have given Plattsburgh the SOS win, and a 2-1 criteria win over UWSP sending the Pointers home.
 
PSUChamps2001 said:
Stick with me here...

Norwich, who Plattsburgh played twice had a record of 17-8-2.
Norwich, who also plays 4 games against DII opponents (mandatory), had an NCAA Record of 14-8-1

Several other of Plattsburgh's mandatory opponents played DII opponents, thus losing X amount of wins comes NCAA Record (as far as SOS goes).

If you look at the DIII KRACH SOS and look at Plattsburgh's SOS vs UWSP SOS then look at the DII/DIII KRACH you would see that Plattsburgh and UWSP switch spots. Plattsburgh overtakes UWSP in SOS by adding those DII teams in. A flip in SOS would have given Plattsburgh the SOS win, and a 2-1 criteria win over UWSP sending the Pointers home.
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That's an awful lot of assumptions that would have to go your way, including assuming the committee would weigh all of the criteria equally. Like I said, just beat Williams and you're in for sure. One game!!!
 
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Sir Nubs said:
That's an awful lot of assumptions that would have to go your way, including assuming the committee would weigh all of the criteria equally. Like I said, just beat Williams and you're in for sure. One game!!!
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Enough - if you want to live by the one game theory, then win the LAST one....its the only way a single game is guaranteed to get you in....win the last game you play before the tourney starts.... #GameSetMatch
 
Sir Nubs said:
Then it goes back to my original post: beat Williams and you're in or win your AQ and you're in. Either one of those two games turns into a win and Plattsburg(h) is in the tournament. Or not end up playing a patsy like Middlebury twice.
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And nobody disputes that. Everyone knew that loss was a potential dagger if it Platty went to Pool C. Now if Platty had won the SUNYAC, then the last Pool C would have come down to Williams v UWSP.
 
Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament Thread

snc11 said:
So, I admit to my mistake in my line of thinking last year, to the point of saying that I had to eat crow, and you go on to bash me for it? Glad I'm not your friend.
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Should I add some hugs and kisses too? I too was against Trinity, and ate crow/Bantam as well. That wasn't the point. Having a "defending champion" as a primary criteria is just ridiculous. You might as well have a coin flip. What if Oswego wins the National Title next year, then replaces 20 guys the following year. Should what the 20 graduated players did the prior year matter more then what teams have done the current year? If you have two undefeated football teams with similar SOS, schedules, ranked teams, and all of the other records...maybe. This is hockey. Apples and Oranges. Nothing against you, just the whole thought it ridiculous.

snc11 said:
The last question was just a question which started with "Out of curiosity". Thanks for answering it (sarcastically).
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You're welcome. I haven't looked for more, but I have a feeling there is.
 
Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament Thread

Sir Nubs said:
That's an awful lot of assumptions that would have to go your way, including assuming the committee would weigh all of the criteria equally. Like I said, just beat Williams and you're in for sure. One game!!!
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Uhhh that's not an assumption. Plattsburgh won Win % and would have won SOS. UWSP won RNK by 1 game. Actually Williams wasn't even a guarantee. It would have tied RNK but SOS still went to UWSP. The committee's numbers were about as clear black and white as you can get. Which is why I said 2 weeks prior that Plattsburgh had to win against Geneseo and took massive flack for it.
 
PSUChamps2001 said:
Uhhh that's not an assumption. Plattsburgh won Win % and would have won SOS. UWSP won RNK by 1 game. Actually Williams wasn't even a guarantee. It would have tied RNK but SOS still went to UWSP. The committee's numbers were about as clear black and white as you can get. Which is why I said 2 weeks prior that Plattsburgh had to win against Geneseo and took massive flack for it.
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Unless you were in the smoke-filled room you don't 100 percent know for sure. I don't either. I do think it's safe to assume however that Plattsburg(h) tops Williams for last Pool C spot though if they beat them head to head.
 
PSUChamps2001 said:
It wasn't between Williams and Plattsburgh. Williams beat UWSP in criteria, thus taking #2 Pool C. It then would go UWSP vs Plattsburgh for the third Pool C bid. You don't have to be in the smoke filled room to understand black and white criteria.
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How do you know Williams was the second team selected? Is there ZERO funny business conducted on Selection Sunday. If Plattsburg(h) beat Williams maybe they'd have been the second team selected.
 
PSUChamps2001 said:
Because Williams was the #1 Pool East, SNC was #1 West.
SNC WINS
#1E Williams vs #2W UWSP
Williams wins
#2E Plattsburgh vs #2W UWSP
UWSP

Just look at the rankings and follow criteria, it's pretty easy....
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Just because a team is 1E does not automatically ensure their selection over 2W.
 
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