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2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
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pokechecker
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Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
nearly every D1 NCAA team has a top notch goalie, some have more than one
who was the goalie that ended UM 62 game winning streak and also defeated Canada in last years U22?
UND's backup goalie!
Lexie Shaw
tough to get a full time job when the team also has a 2nd team All-America and PK nominee goalie
nearly every D1 NCAA team has a top notch goalie, some have more than one
who was the goalie that ended UM 62 game winning streak and also defeated Canada in last years U22?
UND's backup goalie!
Lexie Shaw
tough to get a full time job when the team also has a 2nd team All-America and PK nominee goalie
Blackbeard
Well-known member
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
Exactly, and the smart ones, or their parents, will make it a point to get lots of practice time in net against men.
Yes to the first sentence...and don't get me going on this, but I've mentioned many times over the last few years that many players have absolutely pathetic shots for D1 and my inquiries have determined that there seems to be no effort on the part of coaches to practice shooting drills the goal of which is to get the player shooting with authority because it is expected that by the time they make a D1 team that they should know how to shoot. Well, that expectation may be logical but if you can see that your recruit(s) can't shoot don't you think you should address that problem post haste? A lot of puck pushing instead of shooting with authority.
As to your second sentence, before I read it I thought to myself that "there are exceptions like Knight"..haha...so I certainly agree. Her shooting skills should be what most players aspire to. As far as I'm concerned it is part of the game at this level that is ignored and it is beyond me why that is. If you increase your players' ability to shoot with authority your team will score more goals.
I can pretty much guaranty that Lacquette was first noticed because of her ability to shoot like a man...because that's what she does that stands head and shoulders above most of her contemporaries. The rest of her game could be worked on. But shooting can be worked on too. It shouldn't be ignored.
Exactly, and the smart ones, or their parents, will make it a point to get lots of practice time in net against men.
Yes to the first sentence...and don't get me going on this, but I've mentioned many times over the last few years that many players have absolutely pathetic shots for D1 and my inquiries have determined that there seems to be no effort on the part of coaches to practice shooting drills the goal of which is to get the player shooting with authority because it is expected that by the time they make a D1 team that they should know how to shoot. Well, that expectation may be logical but if you can see that your recruit(s) can't shoot don't you think you should address that problem post haste? A lot of puck pushing instead of shooting with authority.
As to your second sentence, before I read it I thought to myself that "there are exceptions like Knight"..haha...so I certainly agree. Her shooting skills should be what most players aspire to. As far as I'm concerned it is part of the game at this level that is ignored and it is beyond me why that is. If you increase your players' ability to shoot with authority your team will score more goals.
I can pretty much guaranty that Lacquette was first noticed because of her ability to shoot like a man...because that's what she does that stands head and shoulders above most of her contemporaries. The rest of her game could be worked on. But shooting can be worked on too. It shouldn't be ignored.
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
before putting a crown on Rigsby's head i look forward to watching her play more and seeing how she performs on shots that are not mostly coming from the perimeters
karvinen is okay
before putting a crown on Rigsby's head i look forward to watching her play more and seeing how she performs on shots that are not mostly coming from the perimeters
karvinen is okay
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
i love sarah davis
she looks like she wants to kill somebody anytime she is on the ice
great compete level almost matching that of wickenheiser
she looks like she could fight out there too
she is not and will never be a first or second line player for the national team...but unlike her 3 fellow rookie upstarts from last year she was brought back to the team because she actually makes a concerted effort to play solid defense
her role is that of a sh*t disturber to the other team and she plays that role very well
i love the lamoureuxs also
i love sarah davis
she looks like she wants to kill somebody anytime she is on the ice
great compete level almost matching that of wickenheiser
she looks like she could fight out there too
she is not and will never be a first or second line player for the national team...but unlike her 3 fellow rookie upstarts from last year she was brought back to the team because she actually makes a concerted effort to play solid defense
her role is that of a sh*t disturber to the other team and she plays that role very well
i love the lamoureuxs also
We are talking about top notch in the world, not ncaa. Meaning the top 4-5 goalies in the world, the ones who probably can play a men's semi pro game
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
I guess I don't remember seeing that much in her days with the Gophers. I do remember her digging in corners and owning the puck, I remember her being in the right place at the right time so many times and doing the right thing so many times. But I don't recall seeing her smile on the ice much which is a shame because it sure was fun to watch her. In that area I compare her to Kelly Terry who seemed to be smiling even will digging pucks out & fighting through traffic, even in triple OT she was smiling on shifts. I wish I was half as happy as she looked while on the ice!
I guess I don't remember seeing that much in her days with the Gophers. I do remember her digging in corners and owning the puck, I remember her being in the right place at the right time so many times and doing the right thing so many times. But I don't recall seeing her smile on the ice much which is a shame because it sure was fun to watch her. In that area I compare her to Kelly Terry who seemed to be smiling even will digging pucks out & fighting through traffic, even in triple OT she was smiling on shifts. I wish I was half as happy as she looked while on the ice!
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
Unlike many in the international game, she doesn't have blazing speed, so that's what keeps her from being a top-line player at that level. However, she played on the third line for most of Minnesota's perfect season as a junior, so she is willing to accept something other than a starring role, which can sometimes be an issue for all-star type teams. Her effort on defense and her ability on face-offs make her someone a coach can trust in all three zones. She's a funny kid who is very popular with teammates, which is another intangible that makes her a good fit in a place where it can be a problem if egos collide.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
maybe you are
guess which goalie Shaw beat in the U22 final?
Maschmeyer, so if she is worthy of the list then Shaw certainly is
I don't understand the Canada and East love feast with her
but given the results, I say stay on that path
the discussion was about all the high quality goal tending
they earn their way onto the national team by their NCAA play
the list posted contains several that have yet to make their mark at the international level:
Maschmeyer
Desbian
Leveille
Howe
Chuli
Newell
too late, she just earned a crown on her head
maybe you are
guess which goalie Shaw beat in the U22 final?
Maschmeyer, so if she is worthy of the list then Shaw certainly is
I don't understand the Canada and East love feast with her
but given the results, I say stay on that path
the discussion was about all the high quality goal tending
they earn their way onto the national team by their NCAA play
the list posted contains several that have yet to make their mark at the international level:
Maschmeyer
Desbian
Leveille
Howe
Chuli
Newell
too late, she just earned a crown on her head
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clarksoncluck
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Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
The U 22 3 game series between the US and Canada each year is not a tournament, it is 3 games to evaluate. The US planted many Over 22's in their lineup (the Lams for example) each of the previous years to further evaluate players. So please don't call it an official U 22 tournament. Because it's not a tournament, it's a series used for evaluation. Canada has even snuck the odd over ager into the series.
[/QUOTE] list posted contains several that have yet to make their mark at the international level:
Maschmeyer
Desbian
Leveille
Howe
Chuli
Newell
too late, she just earned a crown on her head[/QUOTE]
What is your definition of making their mark at the International level?
Maschmeyer (U18 Champion, many games against US over 4 years at U22 - 3 Series's, 5 games within 2 Four Nations Cup, 2 Worlds (Silver Medalist both times - 1 Final vs US), MVP Goalie for 2016 Worlds
Desbian (at least 2 of the exhibition U 22 series's, Meco Cup appearance)
Howe (Meco Cup, 1 Worlds, 1 Four Nations)
Leveille (4 Nations)
Chuli (U 18 Champ, U 22 vs US exhibition series)
Newell (U 18 Worlds)
But if your definition is that you had to Win a Worlds or Olympics then by that definition, I think only Szabados (Worlds? and last 2 Olympics), Vetter (2014 Worlds), Rigsby (2015, 2016 Worlds) can be considered Elite International goalies who currently play and have played in the final game and won. So if you didn't win the Big One that year, then you cannot be an Elite International goalie. Therefore by your definition Labonte and Lacasse are also not elite goalies, since neither have played in the Worlds or Olympic finals and won.
By your definition Raty (Finland) and Martin (Sweden) are not Elite International Goalies.
So the who World has only 3 Elite Female Goaltenders by your definition (Szabados, Vetter and Rigsby) and the rest (Raty, Martin, Schelling, Maschmeyer, Desbian, .....) are not elite???
maybe you are
guess which goalie Shaw beat in the U22 final?
Maschmeyer, so if she is worthy of the list then Shaw certainly is
I don't understand the Canada and East love feast with her
but given the results, I say stay on that path
the discussion was about all the high quality goal tending
they earn their way onto the national team by their NCAA play
The U 22 3 game series between the US and Canada each year is not a tournament, it is 3 games to evaluate. The US planted many Over 22's in their lineup (the Lams for example) each of the previous years to further evaluate players. So please don't call it an official U 22 tournament. Because it's not a tournament, it's a series used for evaluation. Canada has even snuck the odd over ager into the series.
[/QUOTE] list posted contains several that have yet to make their mark at the international level:
Maschmeyer
Desbian
Leveille
Howe
Chuli
Newell
too late, she just earned a crown on her head[/QUOTE]
What is your definition of making their mark at the International level?
Maschmeyer (U18 Champion, many games against US over 4 years at U22 - 3 Series's, 5 games within 2 Four Nations Cup, 2 Worlds (Silver Medalist both times - 1 Final vs US), MVP Goalie for 2016 Worlds
Desbian (at least 2 of the exhibition U 22 series's, Meco Cup appearance)
Howe (Meco Cup, 1 Worlds, 1 Four Nations)
Leveille (4 Nations)
Chuli (U 18 Champ, U 22 vs US exhibition series)
Newell (U 18 Worlds)
But if your definition is that you had to Win a Worlds or Olympics then by that definition, I think only Szabados (Worlds? and last 2 Olympics), Vetter (2014 Worlds), Rigsby (2015, 2016 Worlds) can be considered Elite International goalies who currently play and have played in the final game and won. So if you didn't win the Big One that year, then you cannot be an Elite International goalie. Therefore by your definition Labonte and Lacasse are also not elite goalies, since neither have played in the Worlds or Olympic finals and won.
By your definition Raty (Finland) and Martin (Sweden) are not Elite International Goalies.
So the who World has only 3 Elite Female Goaltenders by your definition (Szabados, Vetter and Rigsby) and the rest (Raty, Martin, Schelling, Maschmeyer, Desbian, .....) are not elite???
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
something struck a nerve with you,
dictionary definition:
elite: a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities.
My definition:
have separated themselves from the rest of the pack by accomplishing something the others haven't
consequently, Maschmeyer, Desbian, Chuli, Newell are not elite, they are just wannabees, even at the NCAA level
you pretty much answered your own question at the international level
I don't know who you are trying to kid, the only two teams that matter at this level is the US & Canada, apparently you are still chafing about the loss
something struck a nerve with you,
dictionary definition:
elite: a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities.
My definition:
have separated themselves from the rest of the pack by accomplishing something the others haven't
consequently, Maschmeyer, Desbian, Chuli, Newell are not elite, they are just wannabees, even at the NCAA level
you pretty much answered your own question at the international level
I don't know who you are trying to kid, the only two teams that matter at this level is the US & Canada, apparently you are still chafing about the loss
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clarksoncluck
New member
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
So who are the Elite Goalies in the world, universe, infinity?
Name them if your so hockey savvy. I'm pretty sure you've never even played the game! Any level of substance?
Answer the question, if your so knowledgable. Who are the Elites? What has Raty won? (yes NCAA) so have some on the list (Howe, Leveille), so your saying no big deal.
How about Martin? Never won internationally.
So tell me who?
Is Rigsby as good as Szabados? If not then by your silly definition, only Szabados is Elite.
If no one is Elite then you have to take the next tier. If not, get rid of the "Elite category" altogether. Make a "pretty good" category.
Is Coyne or the Lams Elite? Is Duggan, Skarupa and Pankowski Elite? Well they had a combined 30 shots on Maschmeyer with a shooting % of 0%.
If they are not Elite then who is? Just Knight and Poulin. Based on your definition as forwards only Knight and Poulin fit the Elite category. You "in trying to Make America Great Again" would likely only pick Knight.
You have a keyboard, little to no hockey experience, so you must know everything.
So who are the Elite Goalies in the world, universe, infinity?
Name them if your so hockey savvy. I'm pretty sure you've never even played the game! Any level of substance?
Answer the question, if your so knowledgable. Who are the Elites? What has Raty won? (yes NCAA) so have some on the list (Howe, Leveille), so your saying no big deal.
How about Martin? Never won internationally.
So tell me who?
Is Rigsby as good as Szabados? If not then by your silly definition, only Szabados is Elite.
If no one is Elite then you have to take the next tier. If not, get rid of the "Elite category" altogether. Make a "pretty good" category.
Is Coyne or the Lams Elite? Is Duggan, Skarupa and Pankowski Elite? Well they had a combined 30 shots on Maschmeyer with a shooting % of 0%.
If they are not Elite then who is? Just Knight and Poulin. Based on your definition as forwards only Knight and Poulin fit the Elite category. You "in trying to Make America Great Again" would likely only pick Knight.
You have a keyboard, little to no hockey experience, so you must know everything.
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
You're wasting your time. Pukechucker is just looking for a fight, it is his oeuvre, he is the Tintoretto of barf. He looks for things he can misinterpret or mischaracterize to start a fight & then tries to get people to roll around in the mud with him. It is a sickness that he needs to be treated for but you can't help someone that refuses help so he will remain a blight on the boards I guess.
You're wasting your time. Pukechucker is just looking for a fight, it is his oeuvre, he is the Tintoretto of barf. He looks for things he can misinterpret or mischaracterize to start a fight & then tries to get people to roll around in the mud with him. It is a sickness that he needs to be treated for but you can't help someone that refuses help so he will remain a blight on the boards I guess.
clarksoncluck
New member
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
Thanks for that. I'll try not to get sucked in.
Thanks for that. I'll try not to get sucked in.
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
Dude, she was 4-4 last year at ND with a .873 save %.
Dude, she was 4-4 last year at ND with a .873 save %.
pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
and plays in the major league, instead of the minor leagues out east
unlike some people here, I am not going to talk about my playing days, my officiating days, or my coaching days
but I do bring out the "best" in people, don't I? it was the same way on the ice
I just have a knack for it I guess
back to the subject
I was ahead of this conversation, saying before the NCAA season ever started, that this coming year was going to be the best ever class of goalies and goals would be tough to come by as a consequence
I was merely using an example, that talent is so high, that a backup goalie could slay the Mighty Canucks and the Annointed One
I guess that PO'd at least one of the Canucks off, and caused them to blow a cork
I guess one of my on ice talents has carried over to the connected world
and plays in the major league, instead of the minor leagues out east
hopefully you do a better job of it than nevermind'er
unlike some people here, I am not going to talk about my playing days, my officiating days, or my coaching days
but I do bring out the "best" in people, don't I? it was the same way on the ice
I just have a knack for it I guess
back to the subject
I was ahead of this conversation, saying before the NCAA season ever started, that this coming year was going to be the best ever class of goalies and goals would be tough to come by as a consequence
I was merely using an example, that talent is so high, that a backup goalie could slay the Mighty Canucks and the Annointed One
I guess that PO'd at least one of the Canucks off, and caused them to blow a cork
I guess one of my on ice talents has carried over to the connected world
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Puckdrop14
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Many good goalies, some not mentioned, some injured, some better than those you mentioned. In the end, it is all opinion isn't it? And you are allowed yours Pokerchoker.
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
Pukechucker is right about one thing - he does make everyone here better. Compared to him everyone here is way better.
Pukechucker is right about one thing - he does make everyone here better. Compared to him everyone here is way better.
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pokechecker
Banned
Re: 2016 IIHF Women's World Championship
I guess it is a long way to next season, a long wait for you to trash opposing players , their mothers, the Lamoureux's ...
it's certainly your right to express your opinion too
but you'd think after a half decade you'd move on to somebody else
my theory is you are jealous that your daughters never achieved the same level
and why don't you wear Cardinal Red next year, your lack of faith is embarrassing
I guess it is a long way to next season, a long wait for you to trash opposing players , their mothers, the Lamoureux's ...
it's certainly your right to express your opinion too
but you'd think after a half decade you'd move on to somebody else
my theory is you are jealous that your daughters never achieved the same level
and why don't you wear Cardinal Red next year, your lack of faith is embarrassing