2016 IIHF Women's World Championship

[Call It]

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So, you didn't watch the game did you. It was nothing like a soccer match. It was like two great boxers exchanging punches, neither giving an inch, neither able to find a way to get past the defenses and score a knock down. Perhaps the best MLB WS game seven ever ended 1-0 in 10 innings and NOBODY said "well, that was just like soccer!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_World_Series

Ok, good analogy with the boxing. The folks who watch women's hockey regularly can appreciate the game but to grow the game you need scoring. Lots of debate on getting games on TV. Isn't that why the NHL had rule changes, to add more scoring? I still think that the world's best goalies are better than the women who shot pucks.

 

[D2D]

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Agree. Score could have been about 5-4 if not for the fact that the two stars were the two goalies.

Speaking of which, I was a LITTLE surprised the host country picked the home team goalie as Best Goalie of the Tournament. Yes, Maschmeyer played tremendous throughout, allowing only 4 goals and posting a .9556 SV%. But Alex Rigsby was even better, with her shutout in the Gold Medal game and stopping 71 of 72 shots for a SV% of .9861 over the course of the three games she played. Not that getting slighted matters too much, as I'm sure she wouldn't trade her Gold Medal for the individual award.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Speaking of which, I was a LITTLE surprised the host country picked the home team goalie as Best Goalie of the Tournament. Yes, Maschmeyer played tremendous throughout, allowing only 4 goals and posting a .9556 SV%. But Alex Rigsby was even better, with her shutout in the Gold Medal game and stopping 71 of 72 shots for a SV% of .9861 over the course of the three games she played. Not that getting slighted matters too much, as I'm sure she wouldn't trade her Gold Medal for the individual award.

That caught my attention too, but I wasn't going to make too much of a fuss. Both goalies were fantastic and as you said, I'm sure Rigsby will take the gold.

Another thing I'm glad I didn't have to raise hell about was one of the Lam twins getting absolutely pummeled into the boards by Poulin while Canada was on a PP in OT that went uncalled. Also, Canada getting away with a blatant too many players too.

Thankfully it didn't matter in the end but I would have had a hard time stomaching the loss of Canada scored on that PP or shortly after the too many players wasn't called.

 

[Puckdrop14]

That caught my attention too, but I wasn't going to make too much of a fuss. Both goalies were fantastic and as you said, I'm sure Rigsby will take the gold.

Another thing I'm glad I didn't have to raise hell about was one of the Lam twins getting absolutely pummeled into the boards by Poulin while Canada was on a PP in OT that went uncalled. Also, Canada getting away with a blatant too many players too.

Thankfully it didn't matter in the end but I would have had a hard time stomaching the loss of Canada scored on that PP or shortly after the too many players wasn't called.

Not to mention that Rigsby was 2-0 against Canada. Home town selection.

 

[D2D]

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Another thing I'm glad I didn't have to raise hell about was one of the Lam twins getting absolutely pummeled into the boards by Poulin while Canada was on a PP in OT that went uncalled.

I couldn't believe they did not call the hit on J Lam. Very dangerous, and at a minimum it should have been two minutes for boarding. I was glad to see her get up and wasn't hurt.

Also, Canada getting away with a blatant too many players too.

Even the announcing team couldn't believe they missed that one.

Thankfully it didn't matter in the end but I would have had a hard time stomaching the loss of Canada scored on that PP or shortly after the too many players wasn't called.

Yep, and the other thought I had was that, overall throughout the game, the ability and talent of the players was far superior to that of the officials. They simply did not have a good night.

 

[SeymoreHockey]

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OMG....blah blah blah blah blah....You WON for crissakes...and yer still *****ing. Give it a rest!

 

[HockeyEast33]

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I couldn't believe they did not call the hit on J Lam. Very dangerous, and at a minimum it should have been two minutes for boarding. I was glad to see her get up and wasn't hurt.

I'm an American and even I can't get worked up about a Lam getting hit from behind. I mean really, have you watched them play during their careers?? They are constantly on the edge of delivering a career-ending injury every time they step on the ice. Sorry to say, no sympathy here.

 

[ne7minder]

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Ok, good analogy with the boxing. The folks who watch women's hockey regularly can appreciate the game but to grow the game you need scoring. Lots of debate on getting games on TV. Isn't that why the NHL had rule changes, to add more scoring? I still think that the world's best goalies are better than the women who shot pucks.

0-0 ties with great teams require good goal tending AND great defensive play by all 5 skaters. If you can't appreciate solid D then lets just have a shootout, 18 shots to a side. It woub be 'exciting'but it would not be great hockey. The NHL all-star game is high scoring and boring as hell. That was a great game.

 

[Blackbeard]

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I'm an American and even I can't get worked up about a Lam getting hit from behind. I mean really, have you watched them play during their careers?? They are constantly on the edge of delivering a career-ending injury every time they step on the ice. Sorry to say, no sympathy here.

Yeah, anyone notice MLam unnecessarily leaving her two handed wooden calling card to the downed Canadian player who, as I recall, was lying on her back after they had already been formally introduced? Not justifying Poulin's hit on JLam, which was uncharacteristic of her, just sayin'.

Saw more than one occasion of unnecessary and seriously questionable aggressive behavior from MLam during this tournament. Can't recall seeing any from JLam. You wonder if it's just a matter of time before someone cold cocks her like happened to Duggan courtesy of Engstrom to encourage a bit of an attitude adjustment. Of course, it's always preferable for such adjustments to be voluntary before reaching that point.

 

[hab]

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Yeah, anyone notice MLam unnecessarily leaving her two handed wooden calling card to the downed Canadian player who, as I recall, was lying on her back after they had already been formally introduced? Not justifying Poulin's hit on JLam, which was uncharacteristic of her, just sayin'.

Saw more than one occasion of unnecessary and seriously questionable aggressive behavior from MLam during this tournament. Can't recall seeing any from JLam. You wonder if it's just a matter of time before someone cold cocks her like happened to Duggan courtesy of Engstrom to encourage a bit of an attitude adjustment. Of course, it's always preferable for such adjustments to be voluntary before reaching that point.

Yeah, it was hard to miss that two-handed chop . As a Cdn supporter I "hate" the Lam sisters (please notice that "hate" is in parentheses), and I am sure that they give their coaches a few grey hairs when they take unnecessary penalties, but the bottom line is that any coach in the world would give anything to have players with that level of competitiveness on their roster. I do hope, 'though, for the sake of the game and for their own sake that they do enough of what you call the 'voluntary attitude adjustment' to keep them just this side of the line. So far they have done that, I think, so they get deeply under the skin of the opposing team without getting stupid.

 

[ne7minder]

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Yeah, it was hard to miss that two-handed chop . As a Cdn supporter I "hate" the Lam sisters (please notice that "hate" is in parentheses), and I am sure that they give their coaches a few grey hairs when they take unnecessary penalties, but the bottom line is that any coach in the world would give anything to have players with that level of competitiveness on their roster. I do hope, 'though, for the sake of the game and for their own sake that they do enough of what you call the 'voluntary attitude adjustment' to keep them just this side of the line. So far they have done that, I think, so they get deeply under the skin of the opposing team without getting stupid.

Its OK, I'm an American and I hate seeing the way the Lames play. Bit of history, Sarah Davis, the recipient of goonballs crosscheck, was one of two players to back fill the holes left when the Lames left MN. The Gophers would not have won a couple of those national championships without Ms. Davis, a gritty, determined player with speed & great hockey sense. I miss watching her play.

The Lames have a lot of talent and an attitude to win, they just seem to lack some common sense & decency. Its no surprise that a Lam watched an NCAA playoff game & a gold medal game loss from the penalty box.

 

[Call It]

0-0 ties with great teams require good goal tending AND great defensive play by all 5 skaters. If you can't appreciate solid D then lets just have a shootout, 18 shots to a side. It woub be 'exciting'but it would not be great hockey. The NHL all-star game is high scoring and boring as hell. That was a great game.

one extreme score to another, 0-0 or 16-15, are both boring.

 

[OnMAA]

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Speaking of which, I was a LITTLE surprised the host country picked the home team goalie as Best Goalie of the Tournament. Yes, Maschmeyer played tremendous throughout, allowing only 4 goals and posting a .9556 SV%. But Alex Rigsby was even better, with her shutout in the Gold Medal game and stopping 71 of 72 shots for a SV% of .9861 over the course of the three games she played. Not that getting slighted matters too much, as I'm sure she wouldn't trade her Gold Medal for the individual award.

I was suprised as well. On top of that they passed on both of them to name Raisanen as all tournament team goalie. Go figure.

Having said that, it is nice to see all three getting rewarded with something, as all three of them had a standout tournament.

 

[OnMAA]

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one extreme score to another, 0-0 or 16-15, are both boring.

I think that 0-0 game was exiting with many chances and good plays. It sure keeps the viewing audience engaged till it is over, and that is a good way to build interest in the game.

Let me ask you...off the three games in the Final Four Bouncy Ball tournament that just wrapped up, bet most tuned out of either semi final way early, as both of those games were over shortly after half time. Now those were boring games in the second half !!!!.

Now give me an exciting 0-0 game anyday. This was not New Jersey Devil boring hockey. On the contrary, this was entertaining, with both teams playing hard to win, going for it.

 

[Chaffron]

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maschmeyer had harder saves to make than did rigsby in regulation
if rigsby were in net for canada and maschmeyer for the USA then USA may have won already in regulation

omg
the tsn canadian announcers are insufferable...why would you keep calling someone a "power-play specialist" when that player sucks on the powerplay and was not even dressed for the lineup

 

[ne7minder]

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I think that 0-0 game was exiting with many chances and good plays. It sure keeps the viewing audience engaged till it is over, and that is a good way to build interest in the game.

Let me ask you...off the three games in the Final Four Bouncy Ball tournament that just wrapped up, bet most tuned out of either semi final way early, as both of those games were over shortly after half time. Now those were boring games in the second half !!!!.

Now give me an exciting 0-0 game anyday. This was not New Jersey Devil boring hockey. On the contrary, this was entertaining, with both teams playing hard to win, going for it.

A 0-0 NHL game would be boring because the entire business of the NHL is preventing the best players from actually using their talent. there would be few if any breakaways and not many interesting scoring chances. Lots of hooks, holds, interference, slashes, elbows, boarding, you know NHL "hockey". This game however had a ton of close calls and they just got more exciting as time was running out. It was exciting because the best players got to show their stuff.

 

[D2D]

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I'm an American and even I can't get worked up about a Lam getting hit from behind. I mean really, have you watched them play during their careers?? They are constantly on the edge of delivering a career-ending injury every time they step on the ice. Sorry to say, no sympathy here.

I'm not a huge fan either, at least at their propensity to deliver cheap and sometimes dangerous hits and use of the stick over the course of their careers. But understand that my comment above was more about the officiating and the missed call, especially when taken in the context of several other calls that were made but probably shouldn't have been, both ways.

But getting back to the twins I do think that in this particular tournament their play was terrific and was a big key to the Americans going undefeated and winning gold. Monique, the D, had 2 goals and 5 assists for 7 points, outscoring all of the USA forwards except her sister and Hilary Knight. She got 19 shots on goal and was a +/- 7. Up until the championship game she had no penalties, and thankfully the two she took late in the 3rd period last night didn't cost her team the game. Anyway, other than those two mistakes, great play by her all tournament long, with the stats to back it up.

Meanwhile Jocelyne also played extremely well, scoring 3 goals and 5 assists for 8 points, second only to Knight's 9 points. And one of those 5 assists came on her deflection on the game winning shot in the championship game. For the tournament she also tied Knight for the overall tournament lead in +/- at 8, got 12 shots on goal and took just one minor penalty over her 5 games played.

So, while most (including me!) don't like their history of taking dumb and sometimes dangerous penalties, I do think that all USA fans should appreciate the key roles they played in the USA winning this tournament.

 

[clarksoncluck]

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maschmeyer had harder saves to make than did rigsby in regulation
if rigsby were in net for canada and maschmeyer for the USA then USA may have won already in regulation

Canada has a full stable of goalies.

Szabados
Maschmeyer
Labonte
Lacasse
Desbian
Leveille
Howe
Chuli
Newell

Up and comers:

Tiley
M. Black


It'll be interesting how HC move forward. One poster recently talked about the best shooters are not as good as the best keepers in the world. I think this statement is correct.

Internationally, Raisanin, Raty, Martin, Rigsby are all studs. The Finns looked like they will turn a corner to always challenge for a top 2 finish in these tournaments. If they had 3 more Karvinins - look out.

The Lams were a big part of the US's success in this tournament. Their desire to win and sometimes dirty is amazing. They are both 27 or 28 (1989's) right now, so if your a US fan you get to enjoy them likely just a couple of more years. Once they are gone, I not sure who will replace them as the fear factor.

If you moved the Lams to Canada (they have dual - I think), the game would look a little different. I root for Canada, but I would love to have the Lams play for us in these short tourneys. I sense most of the comments come from posters who are still thinking about the Lams NCAA days. Well, most should get over that.

If the Lams played for Finland for example, the Finns could have very possibly been in the Gold medal game.

 

[Blackbeard]

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One poster recently talked about the best shooters are not as good as the best keepers in the world. I think this statement is correct.

Ever noticed how many of the great scorers' shots from 10-15 ft out are right at the choolie's body (mid section) and not at one of the 5 (or 7 if you wish) holes? So, I agree with you.

 

[Rightnut]

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Ever noticed how many of the great scorers' shots from 10-15 ft out are right at the choolie's body (mid section) and not at one of the 5 (or 7 if you wish) holes? So, I agree with you.

Totally agree that the female goalies are better than the shooters. I think its mainly a strength factor. The top female goalies can play boys or men's hockey competently so they are able to handle much harder shots. The shots they see in the girls/women's game are on average much softer due to the physiological differences between men and women. The outlying girls/women who can shoot much harder than average (eg. Hilary Knight) are also usually the big scorers. That's not necessarily the case in the men's game. Patrick Kane isn't known to have a harder shot than most NHLers. I'd venture to guess that is why women's hockey is generally lower scoring than mens'.