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2015 Pairwise Discussion & Predictions

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Where you want Wisconsin depends on the result of the BC game though -- you'll be kicking yourself if BC loses to BU lol
 
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If BU tops BC, and Bemidji or ND win, and Cornell takes ECAC (I like a mess!)

BC v Cornell
Mn v RIT
Harvard V BU
WI v ND
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Where you want Wisconsin depends on the result of the BC game though -- you'll be kicking yourself if BC loses to BU lol
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I hadn't looked at that part. I just assumed that by losing today the Gophers had given up the #1 seed. This is complicated.
 
bc6696 said:
If BU tops BC, and Bemidji or ND win, and Cornell takes ECAC (I like a mess!)

BC v Cornell
Mn v RIT
Harvard V BU
WI v ND
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ND and BSU are only bus trips to Minnesota. It would be:

ND/BSU v UM
RIT v BC
HU v CU
BU v UW

Assuming
1 UM
2 BC
3 HU
4 UW
5 BU
6 CU/BSU/ND
7 CU/BSU/ND
8 RIT
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
I know isn't it great! I love this stuff.
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This is great stuff, but with four autobids and the chance/probability of upsets in those conf tournaments, maybe it is time the NCAA thinks about expanding the playoffs to twelve teams. Some very worthy teams could or will be left out - Clarkson, UND, Quinny? BU? UMD
 
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bc6696 said:
This is great stuff, but with four autobids and the chance/probability of upsets in those conf tournaments, maybe it is time the NCAA thinks about expanding the playoffs to twelve teams. Some very worthy teams could or will be left out - Clarkson, UND, Quinny? BU? UMD
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I don't support expanding the tourney, the teams that get bumped out all controlled their own fate and blew it by not winning. Last weekend and this weekend were essentially ncaa first and second round games. No need for second chances. UW got bumped out by UND 2 years ago when they lost to them, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
 
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TonyTheTiger20 said:
As an aside, I agree with TA. I don't think the tournament needs to be bigger than 8 teams.
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At least from a Western perspective, as long busses are the favored mode of transportation, a bigger tournament just means replaying more of the conference tournament. I'd rather start with a better eight-team tournament and then grow into a better bigger tournament.
 
Timothy A said:
I don't support expanding the tourney, the teams that get bumped out all controlled their own fate and blew it by not winning. Last weekend and this weekend were essentially ncaa first and second round games. No need for second chances. UW got bumped out by UND 2 years ago when they lost to them, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Ok you have changed my mind. You are right, the conference tournament do serve as a first and second round to the playoffs essentially.
 
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I agree Clarkson gets the last at-large if Harvard & Wisconsin win, but I don't think the judgment is nearly so simple as going by the straight pairwise. I think the committee would see UMD as losing to the comparison to BU and winning the comparison vs. Cornell, in contrast to what the straight PWR tell you. UND clearly wins the PWR comparison vs. Cornell after Cornell loses. So then it comes down to Clarkson vs. UMD vs. UND. I think the comparisons are clearly UND >> UMD and Clarkson >> UND while UMD vs. Clarkson is more of a toss up but a slight edge for UMD. Also Clarkson has the clear RPI edge, which tends to be what matters in these three-way comparisons. So I do believe the balance of evidence seems to favor Clarkson in this scenario.

I agree Tony's brackets look right to me. I'm slightly more willing to believe the committee would be willing to swap teams to avoid intraconference play, but it would be a very close comparison for that to happen. You won't see pairings like 2007's #6 Harvard at #1 Wisconsin and #8 BC at #3 Dartmouth ever again, but there's still some margin on which they'd be willing to do adjust the bracket. Avoiding a Quinnipiac-Harvard quarterfinal might be one such possibility, but in the end I don't think the BU-Quinnipiac comparison will be close enough -- if BU wins and it's clearly BU winning that comparison, and if BU loses and it's clearly Quinnipiac winning that comparison. So I agree with what Tony has. And it's not like it really matters either way for the uniqueness of the matchup -- both teams have played Harvard at least twice! So I see no reason to mess with that one.
 
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If the men's B-ball tourney has 64 teams now, with the possibility of expanding again, to expand the women's tourney by 4 teams is no big deal....even given the $$$$ situation. Heck look at women's B-ball tourney! More hockey is a plus, no?
 
I haven't had a chance to fiddle around with TTTs bracket calculator and by all accounts it's very good. Kudos to Grant.

Given my obvious laziness, what are the likely scenarios for the tournament given the possible outcomes today?
 
Cali said:
Given my obvious laziness, what are the likely scenarios for the tournament given the possible outcomes today?
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:p http://www.bcinterruption.com/boston-college-womens-hockey-2014-15-season/2015/3/7/8169075/guide-to-every-remaining-womens-hockey-bracket-minnesota-wisconsin-harvard-boston-college
 
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dave1381 said:
... but in the end I don't think the BU-Quinnipiac comparison will be close enough -- if BU wins and it's clearly BU winning that comparison, and if BU loses and it's clearly Quinnipiac winning that comparison.
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With what you are describing, the comparison swings on one result, that not being a H2H result, so that meets my definition of "close." If the committee can produce a better bracket, then I for one wish that it would, because it isn't like either team has clearly demonstrated superiority over the other. It is different if you are sorting out something like fourth versus fifth or last team in, but the road teams aren't seeded, so I don't think there is much integrity of bracket at stake in a thin-margin comparison.
 
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