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2014 Frozen Four

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LakerEagleLover said:
I'll be with the AD and Prez (College Prez..not THE Prez) Saturday - let's see what they have to say...
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My Pet Peeve rant. Do me a favor and ask if they ever plan on painting something Green and/or Gold, Home of the Laker's, etc. Also, if they would ever allow All-American photos and SUNYAC Team banners displayed in the rink area. The sterile environment of the CC drives me nuts!
 
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97osu said:
My Pet Peeve rant. Do me a favor and ask if they ever plan on painting something Green and/or Gold, Home of the Laker's, etc. Also, if they would ever allow All-American photos and SUNYAC banners displayed in the rink area. The sterile environment of the CC drives me nuts!
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Russell Jaslow said:
There is a concept hear that nobody seems to understand -- apparently, Bowdoin were the ONLY ONES to put in a bid. (Apparently, there was a western bid, but it did not qualify on the basic
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well when you get something wrong you are usually misinformed or just don't know what you are talking about. My apologies if in fact this is true.
Why would no one submit a bid.? We have discussed the D3 champs in Oswego for awhile.we are building new hotels in Oswego. There are plenty of good resturant's in Oswego. As a matter of fact during our annual summer festival , Harborfest, we attract 250,000 people in a 3 and half day period.
The campus center seats 3000. It is modern facility with all amenities . This being said you still have to submit a bid.
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Re: 2014 Frozen Four

97osu said:
My Pet Peeve rant. Do me a favor and ask if they ever plan on painting something Green and/or Gold, Home of the Laker's, etc. Also, if they would ever allow All-American photos and SUNYAC banners didplayed in the rink area. The sterile environment of the CC drives me nuts!
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Glad too....although I heard from madam Prez that she is in DC for college business and won't be back in time for the game....but I can bring it up the next time we chat...I am with the AD an hour before the puck drop...
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
Glad too....although I heard from madam Prez that she is in DC for college business and won't be back in time for the game....but I can bring it up the next time we chat...I am with the AD an hour before the puck drop...
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If that's the case, bring the paint with you, I'll bring the men, and it can be a suprise on her return to Campus. I would have suggested this sooner if I knew it was going to be this easy.
 
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As much as the CC is great don't get me wrong, you NEED 3000+ seats if you're going to host in the central NY area. It is too central to a lot of the bigger fan bases. You've seen what's happened today alone. Tickets were sold out in a matter of hours, and that's just two teams for a conference tittle game. The past 4 Championship games in Lake Placid has averaged 3330 people. 3000 is the max (with standing, yea not happening and shouldn't happen for a Championship title game) even then you're saying 330 people, you cant come watch. Granted we are playing perfect storm with Oswego making it, but if they actually SAT 3,000 and not 2,500 I might say possible.

While an 8,000 seat arena is a bit much I think a 3,500-4,500 is fine and should be used IF its in the central/eastern NY region. Out west, not so much. Average attendance 1396 for the Championship game. I would imagine Lewiston will probably get some where in between the two next year being a good haul for the majority of the "bigger" fan base.

If you're looking to host around the big Five (Plattsburgh, Oswego, Middlebury, Norwich, and Utica *Well if Utica were to travel*) you have to have 3000+ seating.

Just for kicks...
Big Five average distance to Lake Placid (117 miles)
Big Five average distance to Lewiston ME (318 miles)
Big Five average distance to Albany NY (139 miles)
Big Five average distance to Boston, MA (252 miles)
Big FOUR average distance to Oswego, NY (214 miles)
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
As much as the CC is great don't get me wrong, you NEED 3000+ seats if you're going to host in the central NY area. It is too central to a lot of the bigger fan bases. You've seen what's happened today alone. Tickets were sold out in a matter of hours, and that's just two teams for a conference tittle game. The past 4 Championship games in Lake Placid has averaged 3330 people. 3000 is the max (with standing, yea not happening and shouldn't happen for a Championship title game) even then you're saying 330 people, you cant come watch. Granted we are playing perfect storm with Oswego making it, but if they actually SAT 3,000 and not 2,500 I might say possible.

While an 8,000 seat arena is a bit much I think a 3,500-4,500 is fine and should be used IF its in the central/eastern NY region. Out west, not so much. Average attendance 1396 for the Championship game. I would imagine Lewiston will probably get some where in between the two next year being a good haul for the majority of the "bigger" fan base.

If you're looking to host around the big Five (Plattsburgh, Oswego, Middlebury, Norwich, and Utica *Well if Utica were to travel*) you have to have 3000+ seating.

Just for kicks...
Big Five average distance to Lake Placid (117 miles)
Big Five average distance to Lewiston ME (318 miles)
Big Five average distance to Albany NY (139 miles)
Big Five average distance to Boston, MA (252 miles)
Big FOUR average distance to Oswego, NY (214 miles)
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I hear you on the seats and capacity... The large student section (sold out) and season ticket holders (sold out) before you opened the ticket office this am...they don't have that chance for a frozen four...allotments for each team, probably a number for conference and other administrivia types, then the rest are made available....will everyone who wants to go be able to go? No...but that isn't much different than many other championships....look, I would never pick the CC over Placid...but I would want them bidding if Placid wasn't on the table....
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
I hear you on the seats and capacity... The large student section (sold out) and season ticket holders (sold out) before you opened the ticket office this am...they don't have that chance for a frozen four...allotments for each team, probably a number for conference and other administrivia types, then the rest are made available....will everyone who wants to go be able to go? No...but that isn't much different than many other championships....look, I would never pick the CC over Placid...but I would want them bidding if Placid wasn't on the table....
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It was a bid from Potsdam that first brought the Championship to Lake Placid - Oswego could do the same.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
I would imagine Lewiston will probably get some where in between the two next year being a good haul for the majority of the "bigger" fan base.
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I think that's probably a good guess. Bowdoin, however, sold out 2400 seats for the NESCAC semi's on Saturday during the day on Wednesday. That is, however, at the Sid in Brunswick. The fan base issue is an interesting one. To draw 2400 hundred fans is an impressive feat in a town with a population of under 22,000, including the Bowdoin students. That even happens when no team has come over from the "big 5"...
 
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polarbear2 said:
I think that's probably a good guess. Bowdoin, however, sold out 2400 seats for the NESCAC semi's on Saturday during the day on Wednesday. That is, however, at the Sid in Brunswick. The fan base issue is an interesting one. To draw 2400 hundred fans is an impressive feat in a town with a population of under 22,000, including the Bowdoin students. That even happens when no team has come over from the "big 5"...
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22,000, that is huge - The City of Plattsburgh, had a population of 19,949 in 2011, and The City of Oswego, had a population of 18,158 in 2011.
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
I hear you on the seats and capacity... The large student section (sold out) and season ticket holders (sold out) before you opened the ticket office this am...they don't have that chance for a frozen four...allotments for each team, probably a number for conference and other administrivia types, then the rest are made available....will everyone who wants to go be able to go? No...but that isn't much different than many other championships....look, I would never pick the CC over Placid...but I would want them bidding if Placid wasn't on the table....
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What's the rule on being a host school and where the FF is held? Is there a certain distance where the rink has to be in relation to the host institution? Could OZ make a deal with the OnCenter in Syracuse (45 minutes away) and submit a bid to have the FF there? Or does it not make sense financially?
 
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I'm from (and currently live in) southern Maine. I'm not sure why Bowdoin partnered with the civic center in Lewiston vs Portland (which has about 6,700 seats and is home to the local AHL club), but I am guessing there was a good reason. Regardless, Lewiston is a hockey town...probably more so than any other town in Maine...and they will do whatever they can to support the tourney.

It sucks if the location (i.e. distance) keeps some of the teams' fans from traveling to the area. However, based on what I've seen when this rink hosts a tournament over the years...I'd be surprised if that place isn't packed for every game. Locals from Lewiston/Auburn, greater Portland, Augusta, Biddeford, Brunswick ,etc. are all within an hour or so of the rink and will come to see these games. Is this the best environment, given many of these people will just be there to watch great hockey (versus root for "their" team)...we'll have to see. It will still be a VERY loud rink.
 
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llama said:
I'm from (and currently live in) southern Maine. I'm not sure why Bowdoin partnered with the civic center in Lewiston vs Portland (which has about 6,700 seats and is home to the local AHL club), but I am guessing there was a good reason. Regardless, Lewiston is a hockey town...probably more so than any other town in Maine...and they will do whatever they can to support the tourney.

It sucks if the location (i.e. distance) keeps some of the teams' fans from traveling to the area. However, based on what I've seen when this rink hosts a tournament over the years...I'd be surprised if that place isn't packed for every game. Locals from Lewiston/Auburn, greater Portland, Augusta, Biddeford, Brunswick ,etc. are all within an hour or so of the rink and will come to see these games. Is this the best environment, given many of these people will just be there to watch great hockey (versus root for "their" team)...we'll have to see. It will still be a VERY loud rink.
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Asssit coach Dumont from Lewiston
 
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elbojpb said:
Russell - Does the school or the venue submit the bid?
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The answer is complicated...

Technically, you have to have a host school. That goes for every championship everywhere in the NCAA. Even the Final Four has a host school.

So, you at least need the coorperation of the host school when submitting a bid. For some championships, especially when they are all at a host school, the school probably handles the entire bid. However, when dealing with a neutral site not on campus, the city/town tends to take care of the majority of the work or it's shared.

I know for Lake Placid, ORDA essentially takes care of the bid process. They are very experienced at bidding for sports events, so let them do what they do best.

For the very large championships, like a number of the D1 tournaments, it is such a huge undertaking, the cities not only put in the bid (and then usually look for a host school instead of the other way around -- for instance, for this year's Frozen Four, the Pittsburgh Penguins approached Robert Morris about hosting it in Pittsburgh, and then got the city involved with the Penguins doing most of the legwork on the proposal and marketing), they hire marketing firms who specifically specialize in bidding for sports and cultural events. It's a huge business at that level.

Speaking of host schools, here are some examples in the D1 Frozen Four where schools weren't even close to the venue: Alabama-Huntsville hosted Tampa, Navy (which doesn't even have a varsity program) hosted Washington, and I can't remember who hosted it at St. Louis and Anaheim.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
The answer is complicated...

Technically, you have to have a host school. That goes for every championship everywhere in the NCAA. Even the Final Four has a host school.

So, you at least need the coorperation of the host school when submitting a bid. For some championships, especially when they are all at a host school, the school probably handles the entire bid. However, when dealing with a neutral site not on campus, the city/town tends to take care of the majority of the work or it's shared.

I know for Lake Placid, ORDA essentially takes care of the bid process. They are very experienced at bidding for sports events, so let them do what they do best.

For the very large championships, like a number of the D1 tournaments, it is such a huge undertaking, the cities not only put in the bid (and then usually look for a host school instead of the other way around -- for instance, for this year's Frozen Four, the Pittsburgh Penguins approached Robert Morris about hosting it in Pittsburgh, and then got the city involved with the Penguins doing most of the legwork on the proposal and marketing), they hire marketing firms who specifically specialize in bidding for sports and cultural events. It's a huge business at that level.

Speaking of host schools, here are some examples in the D1 Frozen Four where schools weren't even close to the venue: Alabama-Huntsville hosted Tampa, Navy (which doesn't even have a varsity program) hosted Washington, and I can't remember who hosted it at St. Louis and Anaheim.
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Conferences can host also. The NCHA was the host at Ridder Arena.

I also think the CCHA hosted in St. Louis and I'm pretty sure Anchorage was the host in Anaheim.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
So, you at least need the coorperation of the host school when submitting a bid. For some championships, especially when they are all at a host school, the school probably handles the entire bid. However, when dealing with a neutral site not on campus, the city/town tends to take care of the majority of the work or it's shared.
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Evidently Elmira College wasn't interested in submitting a bid because the management at the First Arena wasn't aware of the oppportunity [they are now]. I actually think the 2006 FF was done quite well (except for the final scores) at Elmira, and there have been another 5 or 6 decent hotels built in the region since then (fracking). Elmira isn't within day commute distance to any of the perennial contenders, but is within tolerable driving distance for most, too far South for lake effect, and too far West for late season Noreasters. (And the Domes rivals the 1980 rink in LP for historical significance:)
 
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elbojpb said:
Evidently Elmira College wasn't interested in submitting a bid because the management at the First Arena wasn't aware of the oppportunity [they are now]. I actually think the 2006 FF was done quite well (except for the final scores) at Elmira, and there have been another 5 or 6 decent hotels built in the region since then (fracking). Elmira isn't within day commute distance to any of the perennial contenders, but is within tolerable driving distance for most, too far South for lake effect, and too far West for late season Noreasters. (And the Domes rivals the 1980 rink in LP
for historical significance:)
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But it wouldn't be held at the Domes anyway...

Your first line seems to indicate what I think Joe said, that many thought it was going to be in Philly, and didn't realize it was open for bids.

And yes, Elmira did a fine job hosting that year.
 
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