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2014-15 College Football Part II: SEC vs World

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J.D. said:
i should add, a clemson team that had watson at QB not stoudt...that's a huge difference
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They may have had Watson at QB, but Stoudt started the game. Clemson should have won that game if not for multiple missed field goals (including a 23 yarder), and bad snaps (1st and Goal from the 1 became 4th and Goal from the 23 (and a subsequent missed field goal). It also didn't help that Clemson fumbled the ball at the FSU 20 in the waning seconds of regulation of a tie game.

Clemson is a decent team (FWIW, I am a Clemson fan), and a borderline Top 25 team with Watson. They outplayed the Criminoles that night, but miscues killed them. That should actually tell you everything you need to know about Crim U this year. They will likely go undefeated, and given that they play in a power 5 conference that should be enough to get to the Playoff. However, I certainly don't think they are a top 4 team in the country.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
The kinda funny thing with FSU, which I've discussed with some friends who are big FSU fans, is that they are almost screwing around for the first half, sometimes even 3 quarters of their games. Staying relatively close, but not really playing well. Then they seem to flip a switch and, thus far, have thrived under pressure situations with coming from behind and finding ways to win. If they could piece together a full 60 minute game, week in and week out, the results would probably be similar to last year's dominate performances.

How many more lives they have left is anybody's guess. However, IMO their ability to climb out of the gravedigger's hole is something of an accomplishment.
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It might be something of an accomplishment, but it is something that the committee does not look favorably on. Game control has become a bigger and bigger part of the equation, and Crim U has awful game control.
 
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New polls mirror eachother:
Coaches and AP- 1. FSU 2. Bama 3. Oregon 4. MS St 5. TCU 6. Baylor 7. OSU

I'm surprised TCU didn't fall after struggling so much with Kansas. That could be what stopped them from moving to 4th, though I'm sure MS St. actually making it a game salvaged a spot or two, also.
 
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to me, both tcu and baylor have better cases than oregon but just my opinion. no problem with the others in top 4.

i know it's supposed to be about this year and even though i don't like fsu/winston etc...i cannot ignore their win streak. they are the champs and more than deserving of being in there. at some point winning simply takes precedent over how you did it.
 
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fs23, you say stoudt started the game but in looking at box score watson still played majority of game
 
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J.D. said:
to me, both tcu and baylor have better cases than oregon but just my opinion. no problem with the others in top 4.

i know it's supposed to be about this year and even though i don't like fsu/winston etc...i cannot ignore their win streak. they are the champs and more than deserving of being in there. at some point winning simply takes precedent over how you did it.
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Until they find out you cheated and take it away from you. But, by then the damage is done and it cost someone else the chance that season.
 
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J.D. said:
fs23, you say stoudt started the game but in looking at box score watson still played majority of game
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Not only do I say that Stoudt started the game, but he DID start the game. You should be able to figure that out by looking at the play by play.

As JF Gophers stated, Stoudt got hurt and Watson came in. When you gameplan for one QB, it is not always the easiest thing to just switch over to the backup. Look at this past weekend for Clemson when Watson went down with an injury and Stoudt came in. He looked like the worst QB in the history of college football out there.

Fact is, the Criminoles haven't beaten any good teams. They will make the playoff because they will be an undefeated team in a power 5 conference, and they are the defending national champions. What they are not is one of the best 4 teams in the country this season.
 
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watson played well when he came in against FSU, that wasn't an issue. and at the same time, not easy to for FSU to play against a different style QB like watson when they may have prepared for stoudt. they won the game without winston. i just disagree that FSU hasn't beaten any "good" teams. completely disagree with that. agree to disagree i guess. but as much as i don't root for them, i am looking forward to them going against one of these other top teams.
 
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J.D. said:
watson played well when he came in against FSU, that wasn't an issue. and at the same time, not easy to for FSU to play against a different style QB like watson when they may have prepared for stoudt. they won the game without winston. i just disagree that FSU hasn't beaten any "good" teams. completely disagree with that. agree to disagree i guess. but as much as i don't root for them, i am looking forward to them going against one of these other top teams.
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Well, they'll get their one, possibly two shots in January - deserved or not.
 
J.D. said:
watson played well when he came in against FSU, that wasn't an issue. and at the same time, not easy to for FSU to play against a different style QB like watson when they may have prepared for stoudt. they won the game without winston. i just disagree that FSU hasn't beaten any "good" teams. completely disagree with that. agree to disagree i guess. but as much as i don't root for them, i am looking forward to them going against one of these other top teams.
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I think our disagreement surrounds who is a good team. For me, a good team is a top 25 team (especially considering how many teams actually compete at this level). You have some other definition that includes a whole lot more than that.
 
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ya but even then there are teams outside top 25 who are better than teams who are top 25

i don't have any set criteria, just base it off w/l results and what i've seen of those teams. acc isn't great just think teams like clemson, louisville, miami are good solid teams. beat one without winston and two great road comebacks. those 3 teams have very good talent. more than anything though, a defending champ with same star qb...i just can't leave them out if they win all their games.
 
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J.D. said:
ya but even then there are teams outside top 25 who are better than teams who are top 25

i don't have any set criteria, just base it off w/l results and what i've seen of those teams. acc isn't great just think teams like clemson, louisville, miami are good solid teams. beat one without winston and two great road comebacks. those 3 teams have very good talent. more than anything though, a defending champ with same star qb...i just can't leave them out if they win all their games.
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Related: Boise St. There are teams that CAN play with the big boys, but because they are not in a certain conference, they rarely have the opportunity to play the "old guard" or current powerhouses. The old school thinking is: they haven't played anyone. My thinking is: they destroyed everyone they came across. Sure, someone like NDSU won't stand a chance against most SEC teams, but someone like Boise St might.

It's still a good ol' boys network in control, and until that changes, college football will remain relatively the same.
 
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Boise State was a paper tiger, who had their run but has again become irrelevant.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Related: Boise St. There are teams that CAN play with the big boys, but because they are not in a certain conference, they rarely have the opportunity to play the "old guard" or current powerhouses. The old school thinking is: they haven't played anyone. My thinking is: they destroyed everyone they came across. Sure, someone like NDSU won't stand a chance against most SEC teams, but someone like Boise St might.

It's still a good ol' boys network in control, and until that changes, college football will remain relatively the same.
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Replace Bozo State with Marshall this year, and it would be more applicable.

Utah got tired of that and moved to the P10/12, TCU got tired and moved to the B12. BSu can't do that, the attempt to do Big East was the same time the BE dropped from the power conferences. I wonder if Marshall can move to the ACC.

Now that BSU is stuck with the WAC, one wonders if they will really ever be that buster team again or not.
 
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The WAC doesn't exist anymore (for football), in part because of Boise's move to the Mountain West. Boise made that move in hopes of strengthening their schedule after they got sick of hearing about how awful the WAC was. At the time it was a great move and there was a thought that the Mountain West could replace the Big East as one of the BCS conferences.

The year Boise made the move, I believe Utah had made a BCS game the year before, TCU made the Rose Bowl that year, and Boise was doing their Boise thing. In addition, Air Force, CSU, and SDSU had strong seasons so there was definitely an argument to be made for stealing that BCS slot. Of course, as we all know, Utah and TCU split for bigger and better pastures, leaving Boise in a somewhat similar situation to what they had before. 2011 was their last great year.
 
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