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2013 "I was screwed by the NCAA" thread...

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Sorry, sorry, thought ECAC-W had 7 when in fact they have 6. I withdraw the question. Thank you all for not banning me.
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
Lmfao!!!!!
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With how this thread goes,you shall have it!
Disclaimer: don't blame me if you watch this for too long.

Around page 2 or so, this was me just before plowing through the comments...this is quite fun.
I would only submit that the judgement against Eau-Claire seemed less than courteous, given what they had delivered against SNC and in the West for the season. I suppose Oswego (to a greater extent) and Adrian are the biggest benefactors from this situation. That's all I've got.
 
Laker Ranger said:
With how this thread goes,you shall have it!
Disclaimer: don't blame me if you watch this for too long.

Around page 2 or so, this was me just before plowing through the comments...this is quite fun.
I would only submit that the judgement against Eau-Claire seemed less than courteous, given what they had delivered against SNC and in the West for the season. I suppose Oswego (to a greater extent) and Adrian are the biggest benefactors from this situation. That's all I've got.
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+1
 
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With all due respect, I disagree with both of your points. (Altazo's on page three.)

The W has gotten very few bids in the past 10 years, and what bids they have received have had them pitted against one another so often that the conference's PS W% is skewed. The W's OOC PS record is a winning one during that span, IIRC, despite the complete lack of W PS home-games.

(As far as the insanity of tournament-champions getting AQs, consider this: a reasonable Eastern metric has Utica, Norwich and Hobart bunched-up 1-3 at the top of it, and none of them would be in the NCAAs if we relied on tournament conferences being the be-all, end-all.)

So, this very year, are you saying that the 3 best resumes in the East should be summarily discarded because some goalie on a so-so team had a great game on a Friday night in late February..? Does that really sound reasonable to you, to just discard a 25+-game season for the sake of a weekend-tournament red-herring? Please.

Just to be clear, no personal attack was intended: you're not alone in endorsing the idiocy of this system... This very small field needs to be chosen more rationally, without a doubt.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
With all due respect, I disagree with both of your points. (Altazo's on page three.)

The W has gotten very few bids in the past 10 years, and what bids they have received have had them pitted against one another so often that the conference's PS W% is skewed. The W's OOC PS record is a winning one during that span, IIRC, despite the complete lack of W PS home-games.

(As far as the insanity of tournament-champions getting AQs, consider this: a reasonable Eastern metric has Utica, Norwich and Hobart bunched-up 1-3 at the top of it, and none of them would be in the NCAAs if we relied on tournament conferences being the be-all, end-all.)

So, this very year, are you saying that the 3 best resumes in the East should be summarily discarded because some goalie on a so-so team had a great game on a Friday night in late February..? Does that really sound reasonable to you, to just discard a 25+-game season for the sake of a weekend-tournament red-herring? Please.

Just to be clear, no personal attack was intended: you're not alone in endorsing the idiocy of this system... This very small field needs to be chosen more rationally, without a doubt.
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Get some sleep...see your doctor...whatever it takes. This is keeping you up way too late at night. Your persistance is amusing!:rolleyes:
 
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Fishman'81 said:
With all due respect, I disagree with both of your points. (Altazo's on page three.)

The W has gotten very few bids in the past 10 years, and what bids they have received have had them pitted against one another so often that the conference's PS W% is skewed. The W's OOC PS record is a winning one during that span, IIRC, despite the complete lack of W PS home-games.

(As far as the insanity of tournament-champions getting AQs, consider this: a reasonable Eastern metric has Utica, Norwich and Hobart bunched-up 1-3 at the top of it, and none of them would be in the NCAAs if we relied on tournament conferences being the be-all, end-all.)

So, this very year, are you saying that the 3 best resumes in the East should be summarily discarded because some goalie on a so-so team had a great game on a Friday night in late February..? Does that really sound reasonable to you, to just discard a 25+-game season for the sake of a weekend-tournament red-herring? Please.
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Once again, we have to bring up this point because people like you refuse to allow facts to get in the way of your arguements.

The NCAA does NOT decide that conference champions get the AQ. The NCAA merely gives an AQ to a conference. It is up to the conference to decide how to reward that AQ. They can choose a tournament champion or a regular season champion. It's the conferences who insist on rewarding the AQ to the "hot goalie of the weekend" as you would put it. If you don't like who makes it from your conference, blame your conference, NOT the NCAA.
 
GB Puck Fan said:
I feel bad for Eau Claire.

They had an argument for the #1 seed out west. Not only do they not get it, they get a first round game and then have to go to SNC. They can beat SNC. They know it. I know it. SNC knows it. But they could argue they should be right through the quarterfinals.
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They were the number one seed. When they were winning, then they lost and needed an at large bid to get in. They obviously deserved that, but they lost the number one seed when they lost the game on Saturday.
 
Re: 2013 "I was screwed by the NCAA" thread...

Fishman'81 said:
With all due respect, I disagree with both of your points. (Altazo's on page three.)

The W has gotten very few bids in the past 10 years, and what bids they have received have had them pitted against one another so often that the conference's PS W% is skewed. The W's OOC PS record is a winning one during that span, IIRC, despite the complete lack of W PS home-games.

(As far as the insanity of tournament-champions getting AQs, consider this: a reasonable Eastern metric has Utica, Norwich and Hobart bunched-up 1-3 at the top of it, and none of them would be in the NCAAs if we relied on tournament conferences being the be-all, end-all.)

So, this very year, are you saying that the 3 best resumes in the East should be summarily discarded because some goalie on a so-so team had a great game on a Friday night in late February..? Does that really sound reasonable to you, to just discard a 25+-game season for the sake of a weekend-tournament red-herring? Please.

Just to be clear, no personal attack was intended: you're not alone in endorsing the idiocy of this system... This very small field needs to be chosen more rationally, without a doubt.
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So why do we bother to have an NCAA tournament? Should we simply crown the National Champion after the regular season?

The 11 best teams do not make the NCAA tournament. The 4 best teams do not always make it to Lake Placid. The best team does not always win the National Championship. I am OK with all of this...
 
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Ozz said:
So why do we bother to have an NCAA tournament? Should we simply crown the National Champion after the regular season?

The 11 best teams do not make the NCAA tournament. The 4 best teams do not always make it to Lake Placid. The best team does not always win the National Championship. I am OK with all of this...
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The best teams in terms of collective talent do not always make it to Lake Placid nor always win the National Championship, but the team with the best on & off ice leadership will find the way to win the games that count - including the National Championship.
 
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Awarding a bid to each eligible conference is the best way to do things. The conference choice of having their tournament champion get the AQ is fine by me as well.

In determining who the best teams in the country are, across conferences, D3 hockey is ill-equipped. Sometimes all we have to compare conferences is 5 or 6 games that feature a team from conference X and conference Y out of hundreds played by each conference. 75% of games a NESCAC team plays are in conference, I'm not sure how many in other conferences off the top of my head but I imagine its comparable. We are always talking about sample size, how can you possibly compare the NESCAC (I'm using them as an example because it's what I know, not saying they are getting the short end of the stick) to the ECAC W based off of a sample size of what, 4 games? For the same reason I think SOS is one of the more overrated metrics out there, an 8-1 loss by Conn College, the 8th place team in the NESCAC, to Hobart, a team tied for the first place in the ECAC W skews the SOS for the entire conference. Do we really learn anything about the comparison of the ECAC W to the NESCAC from that, especially since margin of victory is not considered in any metric? In the same line, Bowdoin beats two of the lesser teams in the ECAC E. We don't learn much about either conference by those either yet those games go a long ways in the SOS metric for each conference. Some of this is may be exaggerated a bit but the point still stands, until there is enough crossover between conferences (and it sounds like we are headed in the opposite direction) each conference needs to be awareded a bid, ECAC W included.
 
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