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2013 Cycling Thread

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Finally did anyone else catch Froome whinning about 'Berto's attack on the downhill? Something to the effect of AC must be getting desperate and is riding out of control? Well, Dawg, if its that dangerous, you do have a 4 minute lead, maybe don't follow him that closely. He just opened the door for attacks on the descent of the Saronne.

I wonder if Contador's descent is more or less reckless that Froome needing to hammer the brakes on every hairpin of the ascents he attacks on. Guy isn't careful he's going to blast right off a cliff.
 
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I think you guys are a bit tough on the Sky boys. Froome is at least an attacking rider. Froome looks rediculously skinny and extremely awkward at times. He won't last long term at this weight.

Just like Lance, I don't believe he is racing with an advantage over his top rivals. However I'm sure since he has the most to gain, he might be able to take the most risks with his program.

However unlike Lance and Wiggins, he doesn't appear to be butthead when interviewed.

If I'm the rest of the guys I fight like hell for second, one never knows when they will be named champion.

I do admit that some of my picking on Froome is simply good-natured fun, and I also admit that he does seem like a pretty good guy. Couple of things, though:

-Lance was not riding with an even playing field. In his 1999 win he was one of the few who was all charged up as the peloton was surprisingly clean relative to 1998 thanks to the Festina affair. The recently released EPO test results from (I think) 2004 testing on back-dated 1998 and 1999 samples verifies this. I know the French authorities will be releasing the names of those positive in 1998 once the Tour concludes. Lance also had access to by far the best doping doctor in Michele Ferrari, and ultimately was paying him significant sums so as to remain the only GC contending client that Ferrari worked with in full capacity. Every one of Lance's potentially serious contenders managed to test positive (Hamilton, Mayo, etc.) while Lance sailed through unscathed despite positive (or "suspicious" depending on one's perspective) tests in 1999 and 2001. His financial donations to the UCI that followed have still not been explained in full but reek of buying protection. This of course doesn't change the fact that most of the others were doping as well, but it was not a level playing field.

As for Froome, among other reasons my real hangup is this: If the guy is legit, he is one of the most talented cyclists to ever exist in this world. His power data backs that up, even accounting for the difference in equipment. This would be despite the fact he has a horribly inefficient riding style and that, unlike every generational talent in the course of history, his talent did not reveal itself until he was 26yo and needed a contract. Despite all this Sky still offered him a pittance after the 2011 Vuelta. How was the most scientific and well-finded team in history not aware of all this talent? It's impossible. It's not hard to test for. I know what the stories are to try to explain why this is all the case, but there's just no way I'm buying it. The odds are so long. Occam's Razor, and all.

Irony is that if he somehow actually is clean, we're now seeing the true damage done by the idiots of the past 20 years. Whether it's him or someone else, someone will eventually come along and be able to be dominant while clean -- and no one will buy it. Thanks a lot Mig, Lance, Ullrich and the rest of the clowns...THAT'S your real legacy.

My legit thoughts on Sky as a whole is that they don't have a team-wide organized program. If they did they wouldn't suck everywhere save for the few things they target. Their classics guys are lousy despite much perceived talent and guys like Boassen Hagen seem to perennially underachieve per supposed potential. If something is up, it's either very isolated to a few guys or Froome and maybe a few others are acting on their own. On top of that, I also suspect that if they are it's plausible they aren't even technically breaking the rules. There's some cutting edge stuff out there that's always ahead of the testers. As it pertains to things that allow weight loss without power loss, could easily be on something banned that WADA isn't yet able to easily test for, or perhaps even more realistically could be on something that no one even knows about yet.
 
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And since I spent all that time being reasonable, I can't resist:

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Still in progress but Spaniards have a good day on the 2nd day after the rest...

But for me the bigger news is that ASO told Norwegian TV that if it rains, they will cancel the first climb of L'Alpe tomorrow.
 
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Still in progress but Spaniards have a good day on the 2nd day after the rest...

But for me the bigger news is that ASO told Norwegian TV that if it rains, they will cancel the first climb of L'Alpe tomorrow.

I still can't figure out for the life of me why they'd make them climb it twice...
 
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Firstly, ASO has, in my opinion, an unhealthy attraction to certain climbs (L'Alpe, Madelanie, Tourmalet, stuff like that) and only VERY rarely, if ever think outside of the box. Secondly, this is the 100th Tour and they wanted something special. They've done TTs on Ventoux and L'Alpe so there was nothing surprising there. Thirdly, there is a movement in cycling that is promoting these circuit type finishes (E.G. the new finish of the Ronde ( I also think the Giro has done it recently, though I can't remember when). This allow them to see "Box seats" to high rollers that then get to see the riders twice.

I'm gutted for Peraud. And despite huge rides from Saxo, Froome is still crushing this...
 
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Firstly, ASO has, in my opinion, an unhealthy attraction to certain climbs (L'Alpe, Madelanie, Tourmalet, stuff like that) and only VERY rarely, if ever think outside of the box. Secondly, this is the 100th Tour and they wanted something special. They've done TTs on Ventoux and L'Alpe so there was nothing surprising there. Thirdly, there is a movement in cycling that is promoting these circuit type finishes (E.G. the new finish of the Ronde ( I also think the Giro has done it recently, though I can't remember when). This allow them to see "Box seats" to high rollers that then get to see the riders twice.

I'm gutted for Peraud. And despite huge rides from Saxo, Froome is still crushing this...

Certainly sad to read about Peraud.

Of course, they're also adding 2 laps to Paris and then putting it in primetime (at least for France).
 
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I still would LOVE to see the TDF put a time trial on the Champs-Élysées again. Of course, because the home country hero was beaten by one of those "stupid Americans", I bet they won't.
 
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I still would LOVE to see the TDF put a time trial on the Champs-Élysées again. Of course, because the home country hero was beaten by one of those "stupid Americans", I bet they won't.

Actually, LeMond was and is quite popular in France. Probably not as popular as Fignon at the time but LeMond never was portrayed as a villain by the general French public nor the French media.

Which reminds me....I really need to start racing with a pony tail.
 
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The first hour or so really had me exciting as I was hoping for a Mercxx like attack from one of the big boys instead a typical Sky train with only a little bit of fireworks
 
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The first hour or so really had me exciting as I was hoping for a Mercxx like attack from one of the big boys instead a typical Sky train with only a little bit of fireworks

Still some hope for it as the gap is big enough it's the only thing that has a shot. Have to wonder though if guys will just try to make the podium as opposed to going for gusto. Nice to see Riblon get the win. France needed one bad.

I've been watching these so long after the fact that I've been slacking on this, but more fun and games in the hills today:

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Well the rain kind of ruined any chance of an attack today I guess tomorrow we will get to watch Rolland and Nieve battle for the KOM. Costa might get me on the USCHO podium.
 
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No real surprises today, but have to like seeing Quintana take the win on Colombian Independence Day. What a talent. So we end up with Dawg, Quintana and Purito on the podium. Not s huge surprise, really. Now with Froome yapping about multiple tour wins and Quintana blossoming in full, next year already looks like it could be fun. Choice of route will be interesting as a ton of flat TT kms could doom Quintana. We'll find out in October, I guess.

Talk about a way to conveniently develop a skill:

Colombian cycling has produced some superb climbers, the greatest of which was Lucho Herrera, who dominated the mountains classifications in the 1980s, but in recent times they've struggled to live up to their predecessors. Growing up, Quintana spent much of his living at altitude and as a child he would ride halfway up the next mountain just to get to school every day.

And now onto the Champs-Élysées. I don't know whether this twilight finish will prove gimmicky or utterly awesome, but I'm leaning toward the latter. Now that Cav seems to have a bonafide challenger in Kittel, will he stay undefeated? I fully expect another 5th from Kristoff :p.
 
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I love the first hour of the final stage of the Tour de France.
Its the one time I could stay with the bunch.
Well, if they let me draft on the back.
 
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