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2013 Cycling Thread

Re: 2013 Cycling Thread

Per your previous statements in threads that no longer exist, is the Lance Is Doping mantra still a "witch hunt" or would you like to amend? You bone up and do that and I'll explain Froome.

Until then, I'm not prepared to engage on false premises.

I wasn't asking you and I don't what your problem is with my honest question to Titleist, but don't bother to answer I don't care what you have to say.

And because you asked so nicely, I will admit I was fooled by LA and was wrong. Happy now? :rolleyes:


And to sagard and Titleist...thanks for your replies. I get where Titleist is coming from now.
 
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I wasn't asking you and I don't what your problem is with my honest question to Titleist, but don't bother to answer I don't care what you have to say.

And because you asked so nicely, I will admit I was fooled by LA and was wrong. Happy now? :rolleyes:

Sorry, I really wasn't trying to be abrasive there. And, I deleted it since I need to hold myself to pledge to minimizie my harping on doping but hadn't noticed you had replied first or I'd had left it.

Even though you don't care what I have to say, I will briefly add that while the former king was oxygen vector enhancement, things evolve and new techniques rise to prominence. With O2 vectoring somewhat limited now, the expected evolution has occurred and the latest is a wide realm of products that allow one to lose an enormous amount of weight and still maintain a very high power threshold -- well past the point that would be possible naturally. Thus, one is able to crank out a much higher watts/kg per kg. Most are receptor antagonists that will get used in conjunctions with products that enhance nucleotide synthesis. It's a winning combination, but being sickeningly skinny and still able to crank out immense power is a tell-tale sign someone is on this sort of program (I always wonder if The Chicken was one of the first to be on this sort of plan). This is just one of many items that has raised enormous red flags for some in the case of Froome. And such, built the way he is, he time trials like a beast and throws up the third fastest time on Ax 3 Domaines. Right behind 2001 Armstrong and ahead of 2003 Ulrich and 2005 Basso. Interpret as one may.

Another method that is, amazingly, catching on is intentional carbon monoxide poisoning. The carbon monoxide replaces oxygen in hemoglobin molecules which the body will recognize as an oxygen deficiency and will respond by increasing its production of natural EPO, which would not risk a EPO positive as the test relies on a ratio of artificial:real and not a set amount. Of course, one's hematocrit level would still have to remain below 50 so the ceiling is only so high, but the risk of testing positive for EPO itself is non-existent. Best the public knows that is...as there are strong rumors of a new EPO test that was in use at the Giro and possible the Tour, but no definitive proof of that is available at the moment.

Beyond that, who knows what is out there that WADA and such don't even know about yet, but rest assured the most desirable items right now are ones that allow riders to become incredibly lean without sacrificing any power threshold at all.

The next wave? Gene doping.
 
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Sorry, I really wasn't trying to be abrasive there. And, I deleted it since I need to hold myself to pledge to not harp on doping but hadn't noticed you had replied first or I'd had left it.

Fair enough. It really was an honest question to Titleist as I didn't understand his meaning.

I hear you on doping and I try not to get sucked into discussions on it here or in other (MLB) threads. My philosophy on it now is: I don't like it, wish athletes didn't do it, think I understand the temptations of it, use to be dismayed by the ones I thought were clean and then get caught, think it is pretty much rampant in all sports, and now simply "ignore" it since I cannot do anything about it.
 
Re: 2013 Cycling Thread

Fair enough. It really was an honest question to Titleist as I didn't understand his meaning.

I hear you on doping and I try not to get sucked into discussions on it here or in other (MLB) threads. My philosophy on it now is: I don't like it, wish athletes didn't do it, think I understand the temptations of it, use to be dismayed by the ones I thought were clean and then get caught, think it is pretty much rampant in all sports, and now simply "ignore" it since I cannot do anything about it.

Granted, a lot of athletes who used to do it (such as Nitro from American Gladiators) are speaking out about it, or even writing books about the things it can do to you.
 
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I sorry if I got a bit rev'd up yesterday, it was kind of one of those days where I feared/expected that Froome would take massive time and then as I watch the race and he was beating Martin, it was sort of a some of all fears.

I think my biggest problems are 1) That Froome comes from nowhere and within 2 years is some kind of Pantani/Indurain combo. 2) That much like USPS, Sky has taken advantage of the times. After the Festina incident in '98 most reports are that the '99 Tour was one of the "cleaner" Tours in recent memory, that is except for USPS. Same with Puerto. Most teams were gearing down and USPS was gearing up. I get the same feeling now. Riders are still doped but seem to be more clean, except Sky who seems to have a system that would shame Bruyneel. Even USPS on dominated the Tour, Sky seem intent on winning everything, with all manner of rider. Its the donkeys to thoroughbreds thing...
 
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I hear you on doping and I try not to get sucked into discussions on it here or in other (MLB) threads. My philosophy on it now is: I don't like it, wish athletes didn't do it, think I understand the temptations of it, use to be dismayed by the ones I thought were clean and then get caught, think it is pretty much rampant in all sports, and now simply "ignore" it since I cannot do anything about it.

Yeah, I think I have more issue with guys getting caught and then trying to lie to our faces like we're all a bunch of idiots than I do with the act itself. As far as the doping itself, there will always be cheating scumbags in every aspect of life, athletic or otherwise.
 
Re: 2013 Cycling Thread

So, Kittel won today! Beat Cav despite Cav having perfect positioning.

Kittel has been very impressive this year, especially after the complete failure of last year.
 
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So, Kittel won today! Beat Cav despite Cav having perfect positioning.

Kittel has been very impressive this year, especially after the complete failure of last year.

That was a big effort by Kittel. To come around Cav is not something I'd expect to see. Cav has moved from "the fastest" to "one of the fastest".
 
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I think from a speed point of view that Guardini may be up there with the fastest too, but his positioning, endurance, and inability to climb a speed bump currently limit him. Kittel has been this fast for quite sometime, he just hasn't really had the stage to perform on.
 
That was a big effort by Kittel. To come around Cav is not something I'd expect to see. Cav has moved from "the fastest" to "one of the fastest".

Very impressive by Kittel, indeed. Big surprise that Liggett again miscalled a sprint finish with mere meters to go :)

Also, obviously Kristoff did not abandon as they first reported on Sunday. Good news for me, but I should have known better than to take the nbc commentary as gospel.
 
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So pretty ho-hum day, except for the echelons! Kittel and Valverde are long since dropped and now Saxo has pulled about 20 away and dropped Froome with about 25K to go. Likely will not matter much and Froome is probably going to simply bridge the gap on his own and then drop them but still it make for some interesting viewing!
 
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Very impressive by Kittele, indeed. Big surprise that Liggett again miscalled a sprint finish with mere meters to go :)

Also, obviously Kristoff did not abandon as they first reported on Sunday. Good news for me, but I should have known better than to take the nbc commentary as gospel.

Let me guess... did he call Cavendish? Those darn Brits...

What the heck is up with today's stage? Just plain bad luck?
 
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Valverde was bad luck combine with a poor decision to change wheels instead of taking a team-mates bike. Kittel was simply caught out. Now Saxo has gone to the front with some QPQS, Belkins, and Sagan and split off again and dropped the rest of group one. The first and last split were skill, Valverde's was more or less luck. Great stage.

Edit: If I haven't been clear, the echelons were caused by the wind.
 
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Love seeing Valverde get punished. If they can take a minute from Froome that would be fun as well.

With Saxo drilling it, I hope Valverde regrets his decision to dump Rodriguez from la Vuelta last year for a long time.
 
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Why are AG2R chasing?!? And Garmin? This is Sky's job... you don't protect your 15th on GC position. Froome still likely to simply go full alien and bridge himself.
 
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You'd rather they salivate over Froome? P&P aren't exactly members of the Contador fan club since the split with LA during the comeback.

Why are FDJ riding?

Cav takes the win, heard that Saxo Team won the combativity prize for the day...
 
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You'd rather they salivate over Froome? P&P aren't exactly members of the Contador fan club since the split with LA during the comeback.

Why are FDJ riding?

Cav takes the win, heard that Saxo Team won the combativity prize for the day...

Actually, Quickstep won the combative prize. You are correct on the other count, though.
 
Re: 2013 Cycling Thread

To get back to the discussion about TTT, well today was why you don't need them. Saxo with help from Belkin and OPQS ran their own. The team showed strength.

Just caught an bit of an interview with Stannard who said he was trying bridge/close the gap but Froome couldn't hold his wheel.
 
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Great stage today reminds me of the stuff that happens in the Giro or the Vuelta not Le Tour. Don't understand why any team other than Lotto was helping Sky Valverde was off the back and 3-7 were in the break. Not sure if Movistar dropped Quintana and Costa to help out valverde or not. Hopefully the mountains will be more like this and less of the stages in the Pyrenees.

edit looks like Quintana finished with Froome but Costa finished with Valverde
 
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