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2013-2014 Union Dutchmen - Can U Three Peat?

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Dutchfan said:
Finally figured out who the chicken**** is who comes out of the stands/hallway to shove Bennett and hide behind the refs after. It's Sam Mayasich, RPI's video coordinator. Hard to imagine Phil Cohn coming down from the stands to enter the fracas. Don't know how you would enforce it but if anyone needs a lengthy suspension it's that guy. Absolutely no reason for support staff to be involved in the fight.
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What a b****. Phil would never shove Seth. Classy RPI administration. I predict most of them to be gone end of February when their embarrassing season is over.
 
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This posted by FiveHole12 on the RPI thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnmMQ5Dvz04

This video shows a whole new perspective, IMO. One gets to see a lot of the ice after the initial incident of Union #22 crosschecking RPI #23, which start this whole mess.
As an impartial observer, here's some observations I get from the video that may or may not have been reviewed by the league office.

1. 6 Union players on the ice. Entire RPI team on the ice. Union players being chased down.
2. Can see the entire sequence of when the RPI coach steps onto the ice. RPI coach walks to center ice and says something to RPI #5. It appears #5 is not instructed to retreat to the bench, as #5 proceeds to skate towards the Union bench.
3. Simultaneously, the Union coach leaves the Union bench and walks towards the RPI coach. Union coach gives the RPI coach a two handed shove. It appears that the RPI coach takes a few swings at the Union coach, and vice versa. The coach's melee moves toward the sideboard. RPI #5 is standing facing the Union bench. RPI #5 shoves a Union player, twice. The Union bench now empties onto the ice. RPI #5 continues to get it on with a number of Union players, ending with a tussle with Union #12.

Both coaches share responsibility in this mess IMO. We'll see what the league office says.
 
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From someone without a dog in this fight: (and I will admit, I don't know the history between these two teams. If your defense is that this was due for games or seasons back, then fine, but I can tell you what I thought of just what happened this weekend)

Bodie completely is at fault for starting this. The RPI player was going to cover him in case a last second shot was taken. The RPI player even turns, sees that the draw was won into the corner, and then slows up. As he is returning his head back towards where he is skating, he gets clocked in the face by Bodie. I will concede that the RPI players that got onto the ice certainly started picking fights, but they jumped over the boards in an attempt to congratulate their goalie for a hard-fought win. Once Bodie cross-checked the RPI player in the grill, it was game on and you should expect that... the can of worms had been opened and you can't expect Pandora to go back in her box.

As for Bennett, I think more than a 2 game suspension is fair, but I am not going to call for his head if that's all that happens. I didn't see anything out of Appert that makes me believe he was doing anything other than trying to get his boys off the ice. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he was whispering Bertuzzi-like hits into their ears, but to speculate that that's what he did based on the video we've seen is pretty far-fetched.

Lastly, whoever that was a few pages back that said he didn't know who Adam Oates is should be kicked off this forum for good.
 
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And of coarse the "fight " makes it on Sports Center on ESPN. :(
 
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Yes, you don't know the history between these teams or the athletic competition between these two schools which goes more than a hundred years. You are not aware that at the end of the last RPI-UNION game, Bodie was blindsided by Haggerty, the RPI main thug, which lead to a similar outcome, with 100+ penalty minutes. At no time in any video did I see SA take any action to direct his players off the ice. Bennett keep his players off the ice. You don't know that in College Hockey, Union is, less the RPI games, at the bottom of the the PIM. Bodie is the best Captain this team has had that I can remember. One reason what we know that the RPI players were NOT coming out of the box to congratulate their goalie, is that they were carring their sticks. Please don't give me any Bull **** about how teams always head for the ice to do a group hug carrying their clubs. One of them, #5, used his stick to hit Union Players. That should result in expulsion from College. The good news, I hope, is that the league and the refs are closer to this and will make the right call. They have the history of the schools and the coaches (Alpert has been suspended before). The President of Union was at the game and Jackson is pretty savy. Both schools have a strong engineering bent so I don't think we will see political correctness run amuck. At least we don't throw garbage and broken bottles on the ice when a call does not go our way, like some schools I know.
 
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Dutchman said:
This posted by FiveHole12 on the RPI thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnmMQ5Dvz04

This video shows a whole new perspective, IMO. One gets to see a lot of the ice after the initial incident of Union #22 crosschecking RPI #23, which start this whole mess.
As an impartial observer, here's some observations I get from the video that may or may not have been reviewed by the league office.

1. 6 Union players on the ice. Entire RPI team on the ice. Union players being chased down.
2. Can see the entire sequence of when the RPI coach steps onto the ice. RPI coach walks to center ice and says something to RPI #5. It appears #5 is not instructed to retreat to the bench, as #5 proceeds to skate towards the Union bench.
3. Simultaneously, the Union coach leaves the Union bench and walks towards the RPI coach. Union coach gives the RPI coach a two handed shove. It appears that the RPI coach takes a few swings at the Union coach, and vice versa. The coach's melee moves toward the sideboard. RPI #5 is standing facing the Union bench. RPI #5 shoves a Union player, twice. The Union bench now empties onto the ice. RPI #5 continues to get it on with a number of Union players, ending with a tussle with Union #12.

Both coaches share responsibility in this mess IMO. We'll see what the league office says.
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I by no means exonerate Union of any wrong doing, as other videos clearly show that #22 and Coach Bennett are guilty parties, as has been discussed in great detail on these threads. I was merely pointing out to the RPI fan base that the actions of their coach/team, as seen on the video, may not go unnoticed by the league office.

Video doesn't tell the whole story. What was said during these interactions will also go a long way to handing out any further punishments.
 
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Dutchman said:
Yes, you don't know the history between these teams or the athletic competition between these two schools which goes more than a hundred years. You are not aware that at the end of the last RPI-UNION game, Bodie was blindsided by Haggerty, the RPI main thug, which lead to a similar outcome, with 100+ penalty minutes. At no time in any video did I see SA take any action to direct his players off the ice. Bennett keep his players off the ice. You don't know that in College Hockey, Union is, less the RPI games, at the bottom of the the PIM. Bodie is the best Captain this team has had that I can remember. One reason what we know that the RPI players were NOT coming out of the box to congratulate their goalie, is that they were carring their sticks. Please don't give me any Bull **** about how teams always head for the ice to do a group hug carrying their clubs. One of them, #5, used his stick to hit Union Players. That should result in expulsion from College. The good news, I hope, is that the league and the refs are closer to this and will make the right call. They have the history of the schools and the coaches (Alpert has been suspended before). The President of Union was at the game and Jackson is pretty savy. Both schools have a strong engineering bent so I don't think we will see political correctness run amuck. At least we don't throw garbage and broken bottles on the ice when a call does not go our way, like some schools I know.
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OK, won't give you any Bull ****, just the truth. Players almost always take their stick out for the post game celebration on the ice. And then most teams salute their fans by raising those sticks that they carried out from the bench.

Here are two random examples....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfsB_w8_rpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVLF_XG-81w
 
supe said:
OK, won't give you any Bull ****, just the truth. Players almost always take their stick out for the post game celebration on the ice. And then most teams salute their fans by raising those sticks that they carried out from the bench.

Here are two random examples....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfsB_w8_rpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVLF_XG-81w
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no sh##

those same players dong swing them at 3 or 4 opposing players. marty mcsorley was susoended for a long time for less
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Bodie completely is at fault for starting this. The RPI player was going to cover him in case a last second shot was taken. The RPI player even turns, sees that the draw was won into the corner, and then slows up. As he is returning his head back towards where he is skating, he gets clocked in the face by Bodie. I will concede that the RPI players that got onto the ice certainly started picking fights, but they jumped over the boards in an attempt to congratulate their goalie for a hard-fought win. Once Bodie cross-checked the RPI player in the grill, it was game on and you should expect that... the can of worms had been opened and you can't expect Pandora to go back in her box.
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I don't disagree that was the original plan. However, I see no intent of the RPI players jumping over the boards to skate over to the goalie in a congratulatory/celebratory manner. Every single one of them were looking to mix it up somehow, whether it was to get involved with Bodie & Higgs or look for other Union players to go after.

There's no doubt that Bodie's actions opened up Pandora's box. I don't think any Union fan would disagree with that. What many RPI fans aren't hearing and need to understand is that this goes way beyond Saturday night. As Dutchman said, there is a history...and it's recent.

SCSU Euro said:
As for Bennett, I think more than a 2 game suspension is fair, but I am not going to call for his head if that's all that happens. I didn't see anything out of Appert that makes me believe he was doing anything other than trying to get his boys off the ice. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe he was whispering Bertuzzi-like hits into their ears, but to speculate that that's what he did based on the video we've seen is pretty far-fetched.
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Agree with this, also, but note the comments made by FiveHole12. As Appert is walking towards center ice, he passes a Union player being escorted off by an official. A different video showed me that words were likely exchanged between Appert and the Union player, which probably pushed Rick Bennett over the edge. As Bennett came out towards Appert, Appert appears to say something to Luke Curadi (RPI #5), who then skates towards the Union bench. He shoves a Union player twice and pleasantries are then exchanged, ending in a fight between him and Union's Eli Lichtenwald. I can only speculate as to what Appert may have said to Curadi, but based on the actions, I don't believe that Appert told him to get back to the bench.

If I'm an RPI coach/assistant, the first thing I'm doing is hightailing it onto the ice and getting my players back to the bench to avoid any further penalties. I didn't see any of that. That's the biggest problem I had with the incident.
 
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What ****es me off is Eli getting suspended for protecting himself and his teammates after RPI #5 punched him and 3 Union players already. Is Eli supposed to take those punches?
 
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Dutchman said:
One reason what we know that the RPI players were NOT coming out of the box to congratulate their goalie, is that they were carrying their sticks. .
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Unless this was the first hockey game you've ever seen or you've never stayed to the end of one, your statement is simply ridiculous and it undermines everything else you've written. Clearly you've never played hockey either or else you'd realize that hockey players feel naked without a stick in their hands. It's pretty much a part of the uniform.

I know I'm repeating a point made by someone else but rarely have I seen such an obvious case of either willful ignorance or outright disingenuousness - and it's worth pointing out twice.

RPI piled onto the ice to celebrate the win. Stuff happened from there but it doesn't even start without Bodie. Yes there was a retaliation factor from the previous game but that's not an excuse. The ref almost always penalizes the retaliation more than the original crime - that's just the way it goes in hockey. I'll give Bodie the benefit of the doubt that he was thinking no further ahead than the cross check but he deserves more than a game because of the outcome (and his subsequent face masking and dance with MZ). And so do a couple on RPI's side. Bennett deserves the most.

I expect we will see plenty of discipline handed out to both sides. Perhaps Bodie, Curardi and Bennett should all spend this coming weekend running youth hockey clinics together at a local rink.
 
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As an outsider, I am surprised at the video. I think nothing short of one game suspensions for anyone that threw a punch is order, and if that means a forfeit so be it. Both coaches need some time off as well. In HE a coach publically calling out Refs usually gets you a suspension. Punching another player usually gets you the boot. Heck UNH's coach was fired for physically sitting a player on the bench. And after watching several of the video's I don't even believe Bennett punching that kid was unintentional. He's looking right at the kid and then proceeds to put his fist in his face mask, with no hope of ever making contact with anyone else. Two games is pretty weak, he should be gone period IMO but a minimum should pack it up for the remainder of the season. Especially after his post game comments that were non-chalant... "meh it's just hockey"
 
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aweise said:
There's no doubt that Bodie's actions opened up Pandora's box. I don't think any Union fan would disagree with that. What many RPI fans aren't hearing and need to understand is that this goes way beyond Saturday night. As Dutchman said, there is a history...and it's recent.
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Nothing against you personally, but that is hilarious coming from the fanbase who is really laying it on thick with the "stop living in the past, RPI fans".
 
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Dutchman said:
Yes, you don't know the history between these teams or the athletic competition between these two schools which goes more than a hundred years. You are not aware that at the end of the last RPI-UNION game, Bodie was blindsided by Haggerty, the RPI main thug, which lead to a similar outcome, with 100+ penalty minutes. At no time in any video did I see SA take any action to direct his players off the ice. Bennett keep his players off the ice. You don't know that in College Hockey, Union is, less the RPI games, at the bottom of the the PIM. Bodie is the best Captain this team has had that I can remember. One reason what we know that the RPI players were NOT coming out of the box to congratulate their goalie, is that they were carring their sticks. Please don't give me any Bull **** about how teams always head for the ice to do a group hug carrying their clubs. One of them, #5, used his stick to hit Union Players. That should result in expulsion from College. The good news, I hope, is that the league and the refs are closer to this and will make the right call. They have the history of the schools and the coaches (Alpert has been suspended before). The President of Union was at the game and Jackson is pretty savy. Both schools have a strong engineering bent so I don't think we will see political correctness run amuck. At least we don't throw garbage and broken bottles on the ice when a call does not go our way, like some schools I know.
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You are a moron. When any team's players celebrate at the end of the game, they have their sticks. Heck, we see your scumbags throw them in the air like they won the national championship just for beating us. I have admitted plenty of times that Haggerty did go after Bodie, but your bias won't let you see that your players started grabbing ours, and many of ours, such as DeVito, quickly diffused the situation and went on our merry way. Also, Curadi did not spear anyone. He did not egg anyone on. He was pulled from behind by Lichtenwald, resulting in that fight. It's not our fault that you have this obsession over him. Once again, you start crap, such as in the media accounts of the entire game where Diebold makes the save, and then your #15 starts a pushing and shoving match when the whistle goes. If the refs turn a blind orifice to it, I'm not surprised.
 
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