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2012 Women's Worlds

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Call It said:
I think Team USA has a goaltending controversy and perhaps a coaching. The problem with losing this game is that you have to wait a whole year to redeem yourself in another one game event (i.e. next years Worlds).
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I wouldn't label it a controversy. With Vetter as #1 for four years, the U.S. won three Worlds and lost the Olympics. I'd like to know what the actual logic was in giving Schaus all the Canada starts (and I can't seriously evaluate the coaching decision without that information), but all else equal I thought it was in the long-term interest of the program to err on the side of starting Schaus to see what she can do, and to keep the pressure on Vetter. Ultimately winning in 2014 is more important than winning in 2012. Given the outcome and the history, I'd expect that Vetter is still the favorite to start in 2013 & 2014.
 
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ARM said:
It was on a channel that is not always offered. Universal Sports isn't a channel that I get on cable, but apparently, people with satellite subscriptions could watch.
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I am assuming most people watched the $4.95 video stream. Great crowd at the game.
 
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dave1381 said:
I wouldn't label it a controversy. With Vetter as #1 for four years, the U.S. won three Worlds and lost the Olympics. I'd like to know what the actual logic was in giving Schaus all the Canada starts (and I can't seriously evaluate the coaching decision without that information), but all else equal I thought it was in the long-term interest of the program to err on the side of starting Schaus to see what she can do, and to keep the pressure on Vetter. Ultimately winning in 2014 is more important than winning in 2012. Given the outcome and the history, I'd expect that Vetter is still the favorite to start in 2013 & 2014.
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Does it come down to Schaus and Vetter, or could somebody like Rigsby insert herself into the conversation? U.S. goalies don't seem to improve much once they are out of college, given that it is difficult to find gigs with the same regular practice and game opportunities. Even in the Olympic centralization years, the games aren't as good and challenging as the goaltenders saw during NCAA careers, because most tend to be exhibitions, and they feel like exhibitions. The college teams that can mount any offense against U.S.A. are few and far between, and even against international teams, they don't see many shots beyond the games with Canada.
 
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ARM said:
Does it come down to Schaus and Vetter, or could somebody like Rigsby insert herself into the conversation? U.S. goalies don't seem to improve much once they are out of college, given that it is difficult to find gigs with the same regular practice and game opportunities. Even in the Olympic centralization years, the games aren't as good and challenging as the goaltenders saw during NCAA careers, because most tend to be exhibitions, and they feel like exhibitions. The college teams that can mount any offense against U.S.A. are few and far between, and even against international teams, they don't see many shots beyond the games with Canada.
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That's a good point. Probably the biggest factor in Schaus starting was that she played U.S. college in 10-11, and while I agree the CWHL is lacking in some ways from U.S. college, it surely helped her to start 23 games for Boston. I don't know offhand what Vetter has done the past two seasons. So there's a clear reason to expect that Schaus would've been better prepared. A year of centralization before 2014 would do more to level the playing field.

Also, who knows what their long-term plans are. Raty posted last night on Twitter that she intends to retire from Team Finland, which was shocking since you'd think her senior year would be the perfect segue into the Olympics. In 2010 other top teams centralized and Finland did not, so maybe similar prospects in 2014 were not appealing?
 
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but I would think that is more of a mental readiness issue than mechanics. I know everyone would like the Goaltender to bail them out when you give up the puck like the US did on the first and last goals. In this case you also had two seasoned Intl players take advantage of the opportunities. Those were great shots in areas where they could also create a rebound as in Quellettes' other goal.

On another note: Was anyone surprised at the amount of obstruction occurring last night. I know 18 penalties but it looked more like a clutch and grab game which didn't allow for much flow. I am a bit of a purist but the beauty of the women's game is the skill and puck movement.
 
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Does anybody have a TOI breakdown for that game because if Mikkelson, Bonhomme and Birchard played 5 minutes each on Canada's blueline I'd be shocked. Fortino/Rougeau and especially Ward/Larocque were ridden more than I think I've ever seen four Canadian defensemen used before in an international tournament (men or women).
 
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dave1381 said:
Also, who knows what their long-term plans are. Raty posted last night on Twitter that she intends to retire from Team Finland, which was shocking since you'd think her senior year would be the perfect segue into the Olympics. In 2010 other top teams centralized and Finland did not, so maybe similar prospects in 2014 were not appealing?
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I'm sure her plans and the reasons for them will come out over the coming year, but maybe Räty just wants to get on with her life. She's already had the Olympic experience twice, and perhaps she wants her final Olympic memory to be winning bronze in OT against the team's biggest rival, Sweden.

Even male professional athletes who are making millions sometimes reach a point where they just want to do other things. When talking to seniors, they tend to either be of the mind that they'd like to keep playing the game for as long as possible, or they say that they may be involved with the game again down the road at some point, but now they are excited to be something other than a hockey player for a change.
 
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For those who didn't catch this there was a panel discussion involving some women's hockey notables (Davidson, Ouellette, Cahow, as well as Akerman and Etue) a few weeks ago during the Clarkson Cup in Niagara Falls about the future of the sport. Accomplishments, challenges and ideas for growing the sport were discussed.

I found some of Ouellette's comments to be quite insightful.

It's lenghty and audio only but I think worth it.

http://www.cwhl.ca/index.php?pg=Featured-Content&post=206
 
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binnyrus said:
Maybe I missed it . . . is there any place to see highlights from the championship game??
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Or there's the TSN (Canadian)version with audio...several videos on right hand side that will just continue automatically to the next one once you click on the first one. That's Cheryl Pounder doing the colour commentating.

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/story/?id=393196

Interesting to see Irwin helped along the ice to congratulate Team Switzerland.

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And there's the IIHF version with highlights from most of the games...

http://www.iihf.com/competition/271/videostv.html
 
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Now that was an exciting final game and as expected and noted earlier, we are all aware that Canada can put things together for that one game winner take all! Both teams certainly deserve respect and represented themselves, their country, and the women's game in an outstanding manner!

Before we put this thread away, what do both teams need to improve upon to take their game to a higher or more consistent level (based on playing and defeating one-another down the road)?
 
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CanHockGuy said:
Friggin blog, you are looking for blame as per usual. Understand the the game first, then you might be able to make a intelligent, constructive conclusion. Every time a goal is scored, almost always, the team that scores it, deserves it. You are are an idiot, as per usual. :)
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I'm not one to be the third man in so to speak, but aren't you jumping in Brooky's Schtick just for the sake of jumping somewhere?

I gather from his posts that he followed the game on a blog, which means what you read is what you get, and that his comment on the final play was either looking for more information, or stating what he heard.

I was 5 rows back behind the benches, and as soon as I saw the USA far wing pass across in the neutral zone to Chu, who was in the process of getting off the ice on a change, I said to myself Uh-oh. Canada did a great job capitalizing on the free puck creating an odd man rush and getting Pucci on her heels as she scrambled to react.

Seems to me the blog, while limited in details, was spot on. USA makes a mistake, Canada takes advantage. I don't think Brooky was implying anything. Maybe you both should let the animosity go so the rest of us can enjoy a pleasant exchange of thoughts, ideas, and opinions;)
 
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DC78-82 said:
I'm not one to be the third man in so to speak, but aren't you jumping in Brooky's Schtick just for the sake of jumping somewhere?

I gather from his posts that he followed the game on a blog, which means what you read is what you get, and that his comment on the final play was either looking for more information, or stating what he heard.

I was 5 rows back behind the benches, and as soon as I saw the USA far wing pass across in the neutral zone to Chu, who was in the process of getting off the ice on a change, I said to myself Uh-oh. Canada did a great job capitalizing on the free puck creating an odd man rush and getting Pucci on her heels as she scrambled to react.

Seems to me the blog, while limited in details, was spot on. USA makes a mistake, Canada takes advantage. I don't think Brooky was implying anything. Maybe you both should let the animosity go so the rest of us can enjoy a pleasant exchange of thoughts, ideas, and opinions;)
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This! :D
 
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Stick Boy said:
Before we put this thread away, what do both teams need to improve upon to take their game to a higher or more consistent level (based on playing and defeating one-another down the road)?
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The U.S. didn't have to play in their own zone much in this tournament before Saturday. Scoring four times against Canada in a championship game is no small accomplishment. I don't know the numbers, but I'd expect that you could go back a number of years to find the last time at the World Championships or the Olympics that the U.S. has scored four versus Canada but lost. Allowing five goals will almost always cost you the game, so that is the obvious area where improvement is needed.
 
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