2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

I wasn't referring specifically to you. Just the general trend I observe of some people (not you) complaining both that he's a flip-flopper and kowtowing to the "radical" right, a glaring inconsistency.

Please see my post below. It is not an inconsistency.

 

[geezer]

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Old news, but I'm interested in the story surrounding the first debate. According to Gallup, Obama lost by the widest polling margin since Plato debated some guy named Phil Berghefer in the Parthenon. But, at the time Obama honestly thought he had won! It tells us something about his possibly frightening self-regard. I love this quote (WARNING CONTAINS A LINK TO HOTAIR.COM BLOG, NOT SUITABLE FOR THE CLOSED MINDED), "Could he have been so intoxicated by the smell of his own rhetorical flatulence that he thought he had won?" Sarcastic partisan humor is under-rated.

Preemptive rebuttal for Scooby and Rover: Yes, I realize that Romney might be even more narcissistic than Barry. But it's still an interesting story.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Mr. "I didn't vote for Obama last time," strikes again, and again, and again.

You want me to rip on Obama?

Not a problem.

Not going ahead with the pipeline is stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not greasing the wheels in South Dakota for the new refinery is stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Compromising on Obamacare with no public option was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not asking for a percentage from the banks on the bailout loans was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Acting like a disinterested zombie during the first debate was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not increasing security at the Libyan embassy was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not proposing Glass-Steagal 2 was stupid. The banks are still too big to fail. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.

I could go on and on.

 

[DrDemento]

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This thread truly gets more interesting every day. I must say i use it for links to all sorts of news and opinions. You can learn alot in here. We may have a group that disagrees about everything-but at least they are all talking about some very important stuff.

Now i need some help-on the local news a few nights ago there was a story about some TV star named Stacey Dash (I think that was her) who came out in support of Mitt Romney and has been brutally criticized by some. Can someone enlighten me about this? I do not watch much TV other than sports and old classic movies. Who is she and why is her opinion of any importance? For that matter why is the opinion of any TV or movie personality important?

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm not sure how pointing out Mitt's flip-flopping is itself flip-flopping. Part of the worry with Mitt is he is such an empty vessel that he will be filled up with the liquid of whatever decanter happens to be next to him at a given moment. So there is real danger that if he has lunch with John Bolton we'll be invading Iran by dinner. At the same time those same thinking people are aware that it's hypocritical and humorous for the right to be calling him a Strong Leader and a Man of Principle when, at CPAC in 2008, they were parodying him as this:

Mitt is BOTH a flip-flopper AND a risk of radical policies, in the same way that an adolescent has BOTH a short attention span AND the risk of wrecking the family car.

And he's a MORMON, too {shiver}. I was reading just this morning how His Racistness applied the Stafford Rule requiring locals to match a portion of federal disaster aid to Plaquemines Parish after Hurricane Isaac. It's probably only co-incidental that Plaquemines Parish is majority white. AND it turns out he voted against no strings attached federal assistance for New Orleans, notwithstanding his race baiting at Hampton. But hey, these are just details in the greater narrative of Mr. "I'm not just another Chicago hack" Wonderful.

And please keep in mind how forthright and honest the administration has been about Benghazi-gate. Is there anything they've said about what happened there that has been, you know, true? Anything at all? Beyond the fact that four Americans were murdered, that is. And "they were taking Ambassador Stevens to the hospital" has to rank right up there on the mendacity scale. Whoever she runs against in '16 in the primaries may mention it several thousand times. As will President Romney in their debates. Taking him to the hospital my a*s. With his pants down.

 

[Rover]

Old news, but I'm interested in the story surrounding the first debate. According to Gallup, Obama lost by the widest polling margin since Plato debated some guy named Phil Berghefer in the Parthenon. But, at the time Obama honestly thought he had won! It tells us something about his possibly frightening self-regard. I love this quote (WARNING CONTAINS A LINK TO HOTAIR.COM BLOG, NOT SUITABLE FOR THE CLOSED MINDED), "Could he have been so intoxicated by the smell of his own rhetorical flatulence that he thought he had won?" Sarcastic partisan humor is under-rated.

Preemptive rebuttal for Scooby and Rover: Yes, I realize that Romney might be even more narcissistic than Barry. But it's still an interesting story.

A fair line of questioning. A lot of people want to slam Obama for being "arrogant" something I find to be a bogus charge. All Presidents are arrogant or they wouldn't run for the job. It must take an amazing sense of self worth to consider oneself for that position.

However, Obama suffers from continuing bouts of naivety unlike any successful politician I've ever seen. So, Bill Clinton misreading the opposition when he came to Washington isn't surprising because he was a governor previously. He learned his lesson the hard way, but he learned it well. Obama seems to have a problem of falling into the same holes that the rest of us can see way ahead of time. For example, thinking that the GOP Senate was going to make a good faith effort on a bipartisan healthcare bill. Or, thinking you could have a wonky and tame policy discussion with a desperate candidate who needed a game changing performance and then being upset when the guy changed his position on the spot on taxes. As a Dem sometimes you want to send him an e-mail with the title "get your head out of your @ ss". I can easily see him walking out of the debate thinking he's won on substance while totally dismissing that he'd gotten hammered on style.

Having said all this, the angst I'm seeing or the glee on the right is laughable. In the polling days after Mittens hit his high mark he's still running even with Obama and while he's tightened the swing states he needs to be building leads. What I will say is that Obama now can't afford to go 0 for 4 in the debates like Gore did or he's in trouble, but splitting the remaining ones and he'll be fine. He's lucky the next debate is a town hall on all subjects as opposed to a foreign policy only spat for debate 3. Reverse the order of those and that would be a lot more problematic in terms of getting back on track.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Yesterday I happened to see a "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message" ad on CNBC, and I don't think there was a single thing in there that he didn't say in the initial positions during the debate. I hear all of this complaining from the village libstains about "talking points", yet look at what the messiah dictator is doing. He can't sell it any longer. The 2008 Democrat campaign was all about "I'm not Bush", and not only did people buy it, they gave him a mandate in the Capitol. Now that he's had his chance, and he couldn't put up, it's time for them to shut up.

 

[Bob Gray]

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It's impossible to tell whether he was lying to the right to get the nomination, lying to the center to win the general election, or lying both times. The only thing we know about Romney with certainty is he has POTUS on his bucket list.

Oh, come now, all politicians do this, and Romney no more than many others. Obama does the same thing. I'd expect this more from Rover or his ilk than you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yesterday I happened to see a "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message" ad on CNBC, and I don't think there was a single thing in there that he didn't say in the initial positions during the debate. I hear all of this complaining from the village libstains about "talking points", yet look at what the messiah dictator is doing. He can't sell it any longer. The 2008 Democrat campaign was all about "I'm not Bush", and not only did people buy it, they gave him a mandate in the Capitol. Now that he's had his chance, and he couldn't put up, it's time for them to shut up.

He put up. He wasn't Bush. Not even close. Another four years of Bush and we'd be Greece.

Oh, come now, all politicians do this, and Romney no more than many others. Obama does the same thing. I'd expect this more from Rover or his ilk than you.

The last one that did it at that level was John Kerry. He was eviscerated by the GOP during the campaign.

 

[Old Pio]

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You want me to rip on Obama?

Not a problem.

Not going ahead with the pipeline is stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not greasing the wheels in South Dakota for the new refinery is stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Compromising on Obamacare with no public option was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not asking for a percentage from the banks on the bailout loans was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Acting like a disinterested zombie during the first debate was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not increasing security at the Libyan embassy was stupid. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.
Not proposing Glass-Steagal 2 was stupid. The banks are still too big to fail. Considering not voting for him for that very reason.

I could go on and on.

See that you do. So your primary gripe against His Phoniness is that he isn't enough of a libstain to please you. Not really meaningful criticism given the choices we have. But it's nice to learn, finally, that you have a shred of integrity.

"Considering?" Now that's total horse sh*t, and you know it. What you mean to say is that you're considering not voting at all (and I have my doubts about that). Because you certainly can't expect anyone here to believe you're "considering" voting for the guy you criticize here relentlessly, day after day. I mean, we may be crazy, but we're not stupid.

 

[Kepler]

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Oh, come now, all politicians do this, and Romney no more than many others. Obama does the same thing.

I am not saying Romney is unique in wanting power. I am saying Romney is unique in wanting power without giving us the slightest idea of how he'd use it. Perhaps he does not know himself.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I am not saying Romney is unique in wanting power. I am saying Romney is unique in wanting power without giving us the slightest idea of how he'd use it. Perhaps he does not know himself.

This. Anyone who has any clue what Romney will do please let us know.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I am not saying Romney is unique in wanting power. I am saying Romney is unique in wanting power without giving us the slightest idea of how he'd use it. Perhaps he does not know himself.

Dial back four years and you could say this about Obama more than Romney now.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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He put up. He wasn't Bush. Not even close. Another four years of Bush and we'd be Greece.

Yeah, "putting up" a yearly trillion dollar deficit. Even Dubya got those back to halfway decent levels during his mandate before the libstains took over the Capitol and went on a spending spree.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Dial back four years and you could say this about Obama more than Romney now.

That's just not true.

 

[Kepler]

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the libstains

This makes your argument so much stronger.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Dial back four years and you could say this about Obama more than Romney now.

Not really. We knew how he'd use it. People just turned a blind eye to it.

 

[Old Pio]

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A fair line of questioning. A lot of people want to slam Obama for being "arrogant" something I find to be a bogus charge. All Presidents are arrogant or they wouldn't run for the job. It must take an amazing sense of self worth to consider oneself for that position.

However, Obama suffers from continuing bouts of naivety unlike any successful politician I've ever seen. So, Bill Clinton misreading the opposition when he came to Washington isn't surprising because he was a governor previously. He learned his lesson the hard way, but he learned it well. Obama seems to have a problem of falling into the same holes that the rest of us can see way ahead of time. For example, thinking that the GOP Senate was going to make a good faith effort on a bipartisan healthcare bill. Or, thinking you could have a wonky and tame policy discussion with a desperate candidate who needed a game changing performance and then being upset when the guy changed his position on the spot on taxes. As a Dem sometimes you want to send him an e-mail with the title "get your head out of your @ ss". I can easily see him walking out of the debate thinking he's won on substance while totally dismissing that he'd gotten hammered on style.

Having said all this, the angst I'm seeing or the glee on the right is laughable. In the polling days after Mittens hit his high mark he's still running even with Obama and while he's tightened the swing states he needs to be building leads. What I will say is that Obama now can't afford to go 0 for 4 in the debates like Gore did or he's in trouble, but splitting the remaining ones and he'll be fine. He's lucky the next debate is a town hall on all subjects as opposed to a foreign policy only spat for debate 3. Reverse the order of those and that would be a lot more problematic in terms of getting back on track.

H. V. Kaltenborn, jr.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yeah, "putting up" a yearly trillion dollar deficit. Even Dubya got those back to halfway decent levels during his mandate before the libstains took over the Capitol and went on a spending spree.

You guys are so cute the way you think Obama created the mess and should have been able to fix it in 4 years. Do you have any idea how bad it was? Any at all? I do.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You know what's funny? Go back to either the beginning of this thread, or during the last thread, and there was a lot of hooting and hollering from the libstains about how the messiah dictator was going to wipe the floor with Mittens. I find it quite interesting that we don't see that now.