2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

[Kepler]

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The funniest thing about this little self-pity rant is the sap didn't even write it; he stole it verbatim from a chain letter.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You know what's funny? Go back to either the beginning of this thread, or during the last thread, and there was a lot of hooting and hollering from the libstains about how the messiah dictator was going to wipe the floor with Mittens. I find it quite interesting that we don't see that now.

It is funny. I've never detracted from my opinion that Mitt would win. What I found funny and startling was how the GOP was determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I have to admit that I never thought switching to John Kerry mode would get Mitt back on track.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You guys are so cute the way you think Obama created the mess and should have been able to fix it in 4 years. Do you have any idea how bad it was? Any at all? I do.

Hey, we're just holding him responsible to his promises of the national debt being cut in half, unemployment never going above 8%, and commodity prices coming under control.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Hey, we're just holding him responsible to his promises of the national debt being cut in half, unemployment never going above 8%, and commodity prices coming under control.

And those are all good reasons not to vote for him. I agree.

 

[Old Pio]

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You guys are so cute the way you think Obama created the mess and should have been able to fix it in 4 years. Do you have any idea how bad it was? Any at all? I do.

And proposing 800 billion in "shovel ready" projects was just the tonic the economy needed. Well, it was just the tonic his union goon supporters needed, and even he admitted there's no such thing as a "shovel ready" project, but hey, Romney's the liar. Right?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And proposing 800 billion in "shovel ready" projects was just the tonic the economy needed. Well, it was just the tonic his union goon supporters needed, and even he admitted there's no such thing as a "shovel ready" project, but hey, Romney's the liar. Right?

That was stupid as well. Although I have to say that local governments are more of a problem for small business than the Feds. I've seen that first hand.

 

[Rover]

Yesterday I happened to see a "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message" ad on CNBC, and I don't think there was a single thing in there that he didn't say in the initial positions during the debate. I hear all of this complaining from the village libstains about "talking points", yet look at what the messiah dictator is doing. He can't sell it any longer. The 2008 Democrat campaign was all about "I'm not Bush", and not only did people buy it, they gave him a mandate in the Capitol. Now that he's had his chance, and he couldn't put up, it's time for them to shut up.

This is stupid on multiple levels. First Obama can still say "I'm not Bush" because Romney is proposing to re-adopt Bush policies particularly on taxes (he's now saying "economic growth" will pay for his upper income tax cuts...where have we heard that before?) and foreign policy.

Next, one debate where he was either asleep, forgot to buy an anniversary gift for his wife, or completely misread the situation does not a campaign make. If I were you I'd prepare for an Abu Ghraib type torturing if Obama gets the better of Mittens in the next debate. People still don't like Romney or his policies.

Finally, as far as what he's running on, I'd say a fair approach to deficit reduction as opposed to generational warfare is a mighty big reason, as well as avoiding yet another Middle East war in Syria to finish up on a target the Bush-Cheney team wanted to go after 10 years ago before the Iraq folly went to hell.

 

[Bob Gray]

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That's just not true.

Obama was elected based on feelings and emotion, with very little substance in his campaign. It worked for him, but don't tell me it was the least bit clear what all he'd do in office. The media was too busy sucking up to him to ask any hard questions.

 

[Old Pio]

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This is stupid on multiple levels. First Obama can still say "I'm not Bush" because Romney is proposing to re-adopt Bush policies particularly on taxes (he's now saying "economic growth" will pay for his upper income tax cuts...where have we heard that before?) and foreign policy.

Next, one debate where he was either asleep, forgot to buy an anniversary gift for his wife, or completely misread the situation does not a campaign make. If I were you I'd prepare for an Abu Ghraib type torturing if Obama gets the better of Mittens in the next debate. People still don't like Romney or his policies.

Finally, as far as what he's running on, I'd say a fair approach to deficit reduction as opposed to generational warfare is a mighty big reason, as well as avoiding yet another Middle East war in Syria to finish up on a target the Bush-Cheney team wanted to go after 10 years ago before the Iraq folly went to hell.

Somebody said the excuse that His Patheticness "wasn't on his game" in the debate is simply not true. That was his game. This is a man whose intellectual fire power has been vastly overrated by MSM sycophants. There's a good argument to be made that he wasn't even the principal author of one of his multiple biographies. He's not stupid. Probably pretty smart. But this idea, swallowed completely by libstains, that he's the smartest, most gifted politician ever, is utter nonsense. And the irony of his debate flop is it's the libstains who are surprised and reacting so badly. Chrissie's implosion was epic. He may come out like a chipmunk on Jolt next time, but it's very difficult to recalibrate. He'll certainly be better in coming debates, in part because it's hard to imagine that he could be worse.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is stupid on multiple levels. First Obama can still say "I'm not Bush" because Romney is proposing to re-adopt Bush policies particularly on taxes (he's now saying "economic growth" will pay for his upper income tax cuts...where have we heard that before?) and foreign policy.

He's using the Economic growth argument? Too funny.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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He's using the Economic growth argument? Too funny.

In the short term, it doesn't work. In the long term, it does. (Source: 2002-2006 deficit-by-year levels) Unfortunately, because of the nature of our political system, we're stuck with only using short-term moves to get anywhere, since anything attempted in the long term is typically wiped out by the next Congress. Heck, look at the number of people that want to repeal PPACA.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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In the short term, it doesn't work. In the long term, it does. (Source: 2002-2006 deficit-by-year levels) Unfortunately, because of the nature of our political system, we're stuck with only using short-term moves to get anywhere, since anything attempted in the long term is typically wiped out by the next Congress. Heck, look at the number of people that want to repeal PPACA.

In the long term it doesn't. It's fantasy and myth. You can't guarantee growth anymore than you can guarantee a meteor isn't going to hit the earth.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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In the long term it doesn't. It's fantasy and myth. You can't guarantee growth anymore than you can guarantee a meteor isn't going to hit the earth.

There's a big difference between making a guarantee and giving tools to better the odds. Nowhere did I mention ANYTHING about a guarantee. The messiah dictator put out guarantees in 2008. Where is Mittens making a guarantee?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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There's a big difference between making a guarantee and giving tools to better the odds. Nowhere did I mention ANYTHING about a guarantee. The messiah dictator put out guarantees in 2008. Where is Mittens making a guarantee?

The messiah dictator is an idiot. But, at least he's an idiot that says he's not paying for PBS one day because he has to borrow from China and then building Naval Ships and Subs the next day with money borrowed from China.

Obama at least has an inkling that things have to be paid for. Romney doesn't. You think the deficit is bad now? Wait til good old economic growth Mitt gets in there.

 

[Tiggsy]

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This is stupid on multiple levels. First Obama can still say "I'm not Bush" because Romney is proposing to re-adopt Bush policies particularly on taxes (he's now saying "economic growth" will pay for his upper income tax cuts...where have we heard that before?) and foreign policy.

Next, one debate where he was either asleep, forgot to buy an anniversary gift for his wife, or completely misread the situation does not a campaign make. If I were you I'd prepare for an Abu Ghraib type torturing if Obama gets the better of Mittens in the next debate. People still don't like Romney or his policies.

What people? Polling out seems to indicate those people are shrinking in numbers. Or can we not trust the polls?

I'd be shocked if Obama can out debate Mitt. Where has he shown he's able to think and react in that type of setting? No, really... is there an example? I'd like to check it out.

 

[SJHovey]

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Obama was elected based on feelings and emotion, with very little substance in his campaign. It worked for him, but don't tell me it was the least bit clear what all he'd do in office. The media was too busy sucking up to him to ask any hard questions.

Why do people always complain about candidates failing to give precise specifics about what they're going to "do" or "deliver" or "change" when they get into office. I've never understood this. Nothing good can come from it.

First, it just sets up a target for the opposition to obstruct. It promotes rigidity and forces individuals to reject compromise. If two years down the road circumstances have changed, or maybe the original idea isn't that great anymore, the office holder nevertheless feels compelled to try to deliver on the promise, and we get a crappy law out of it, just because it was promised to us.

It also promotes the unabashed bribery that makes up much of politics today. You elect me, I'll do this for you.

I don't want Romney to tell me his tax plan. The minute he does that, the democrats will figure out how to thwart it. What I want is the minute one of these guys is officially sworn in, sit down with those clowns in Congress and tell them they've got to figure out how we can get out of the mess we're in, and get it done.

 

[geezer]

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Hey, we're just holding him responsible to his promises of the national debt being cut in half, unemployment never going above 8%, and commodity prices coming under control.

I liked the stuff about the ocean levels bowing down before his majesty and Mother Earth beginning to heal and stuff. The ultimate in grandiose politician promises. We need more of that this time around to turn out the vote.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Why do people always complain about candidates failing to give precise specifics about what they're going to "do" or "deliver" or "change" when they get into office. I've never understood this. Nothing good can come from it.

First, it just sets up a target for the opposition to obstruct. It promotes rigidity and forces individuals to reject compromise. If two years down the road circumstances have changed, or maybe the original idea isn't that great anymore, the office holder nevertheless feels compelled to try to deliver on the promise, and we get a crappy law out of it, just because it was promised to us.

It also promotes the unabashed bribery that makes up much of politics today. You elect me, I'll do this for you.

I don't want Romney to tell me his tax plan. The minute he does that, the democrats will figure out how to thwart it. What I want is the minute one of these guys is officially sworn in, sit down with those clowns in Congress and tell them they've got to figure out how we can get out of the mess we're in, and get it done.

People ask for specifics when it takes 5 minutes to figure out that what the candidate is proposing is fantasy. There is no way he can cut taxes by 5 trillion and make up the difference cutting PBS, deductions, and loopholes.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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People ask for specifics when it takes 5 minutes to figure out that what the candidate is proposing is fantasy. There is no way he can cut taxes by 5 trillion and make up the difference cutting PBS, deductions, and loopholes.

For someone not voting for Obama, you can sure offer his attack branding.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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For someone not voting for Obama, you can sure offer his attack branding.

Not Obama's. It would be anyone running against him. Including most of the folks that were on the stage with him during the primaries.