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2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

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FreshFish said:
Someone at the Huffington Post actually criticized one of Michelle Obama's claims! :eek:
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That's a bit of a misleading claim by Mrs. Obama, but couldn't the criticism be countered by the fact that new hires, across all fields, are generally lower-paid than more experienced employees, so it's only natural that a large group of new hires would tend to be lower-paid than a large group of experienced workers who'd lost their jobs?
 
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jmh said:
That's a bit of a misleading claim by Mrs. Obama, but couldn't the criticism be countered by the fact that new hires, across all fields, are generally lower-paid than more experienced employees, so it's only natural that a large group of new hires would tend to be lower-paid than a large group of experienced workers who'd lost their jobs?
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If they completely changed fields (e.g. going from a design engineer to a burger flipper), then yes. However, in many of the fields that are being represented here, if you remain within the field but go to another job, your pay will be rated based upon the number of years in the field, regardless of company. This is, of course, if a collective bargaining agreement does not get in the way. Obviously, the Obama administration wants one to get in the way.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
If they completely changed fields (e.g. going from a design engineer to a burger flipper), then yes. However, in many of the fields that are being represented here, if you remain within the field but go to another job, your pay will be rated based upon the number of years in the field, regardless of company. This is, of course, if a collective bargaining agreement does not get in the way. Obviously, the Obama administration wants one to get in the way.
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Look, I admire you for sticking to your guns, but are you honestly trying to lay the blame for wage stagnation on unions at a point in time when union membership is at an all time low?

Besides, I've been told in the past by certain posters on here that unions cause employees to earn too much pay, not too little.
 
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unofan said:
Look, I admire you for sticking to your guns, but are you honestly trying to lay the blame for wage stagnation on unions at a point in time when union membership is at an all time low?

Besides, I've been told in the past by certain posters on here that unions cause employees to earn too much pay, not too little.
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Unions are on the side of whatever is negative, dontcha know?
 
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aparch said:
We get it. "Obama's buddy" can't control his town.

Guess what, it happened under Daley too.
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Actually, my point, as explained several times, doesn't have anything to do with the mayors of Chicago. It has to do with a president who made a BFD out of the arrest of his loud mouthed professor buddy by a white cop in Cambridge (he subsequently had to eat a generous portion of crow with his trumped up "beer summit.") He similarly injected himself into the unfortunate Trayvon Martin shooting. Again, black "victim," white shooter.

But in Chicago we're seeing a horrific epidemic of black on black shootings. Many deaths. Many injuries. Many totally innocent victims, including little boys girls. And the president has said not one single word publicly about this tsunami of violence. Why? Racial politics? Don't be crass. However, it's undeniable that If he were to speak up on these tragedies, he might actually have to point the finger of blame at the gang thugs doing the killing. And they are black. And that would be counter productive to ginning up the black vote in November. Got a different explanation for his silence? Let's hear it.
 
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Part of Obamacare or the War on Crime?
Here is some food for thought...We should place the elderly in prisons. They will get a shower a day, video surveillance in case of problems, three meals a day, access to a library, computer, TV, gym, doctors on-site, free medication if needed.
Put criminals in nursing homes. They have cold meals, lights off at 7pm, two showers a week, live in a smaller room and pay rent at $4,000 a month!!! It's pretty sad that we treat prisoners better than the elderly...
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SJHovey said:
I didn't see it but a friend at lunch today said Jon Stewart had a "man on the street" bit where democrats were asked, in five words or less, to describe their candidate. The responses were things like, "it's not all his fault," or "doing the best he can." :p That's what politics has come to.
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On the one hand, it's John Stewart... he's a comic, you know. ;)

On the other hand, it does underscore what I meant, so I'll take it. :)
 
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So Romney is at a high water mark. He and BO are tied nationally in RCP's average. Meanwhilie, Nate Silver has pushed Obama's odds to an all time high.

I guess the thinking is that Romney got small bumps from both the Ryan pick and the GOP convention. But the key is that they are smaller than expected. This evidently pushes Obama to 76.3% or big time.

Old Pio said:
This Nazi business seems to be catching on.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...al-reportedly-likens-republicans-to-nazis-at/
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Somehow someone behaving like Eva Braun means that the GOP are like nazis.

It appears Fox editors are the only people on the planet who believe this. Who am I to disagree with them?
 
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joecct said:
And it's not even Spring!!
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Concierge: Who d'ya want? Nobody gets in the building unless I know who they want. I'm the "concierge". My husband used to be the "concierge", but he's dead. Now I'M the "concierge".
Max Bialystock: We are seeking Franz Liebkind.
Concierge: Oh... the Kraut! He's on the top floor, apartment 23.
Max Bialystock: Thank you...
Concierge: ...But you won't find him there... he's up on the roof with his boids. He keeps boids. Dirty... disgusting... filthy... lice-ridden boids. You used to be able to sit out on the stoop like a person. Not anymore! No, sir! Boids!... You get my drift?
Leo Bloom: We... uh... get your "drift". Thank you, madam.
Concierge: I'm not a "madam"! I'm a "concierge"!
 
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5mn_Major said:
So Romney is at a high water mark. He and BO are tied nationally in RCP's average. Meanwhilie, Nate Silver has pushed Obama's odds to an all time high.

I guess the thinking is that Romney got small bumps from both the Ryan pick and the GOP convention. But the key is that they are smaller than expected. This evidently pushes Obama to 76.3% or big time.



Somehow someone behaving like Eva Braun means that the GOP are like nazis.

It appears Fox editors are the only people on the planet who believe this. Who am I to disagree with them?
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Do you take your Kool-aid neat? A truly amazing intellectual (and I use that term advisedly) inversion: repeated Democrat allusions to Republicans acting like various Nazi all-stars is okay because the Republicans are, you know, acting like Nazis.
 
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An analyst claims that if the S&P stays above 1200 (its at 1400 now), Obama wins.

Maybe its closer to 1250...but pretty much.
 
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5mn_Major said:
An analyst claims that if the S&P stays above 1200 (its at 1400 now), Obama wins.

Maybe its closer to 1250...but pretty much.
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Really? I'd say if the price gas keeps going up he is toast
 
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5mn_Major said:
So Romney is at a high water mark. He and BO are tied nationally in RCP's average. Meanwhilie, Nate Silver has pushed Obama's odds to an all time high.

I guess the thinking is that Romney got small bumps from both the Ryan pick and the GOP convention. But the key is that they are smaller than expected. This evidently pushes Obama to 76.3% or big time.
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Silver hasn't actually "pushed" anything; his model's odds been moving in Obama's direction lately because:

1) Even though pop vote is about even, Romney trails in too many battleground states.
2) The clock is ticking.
3) There is a built-in "sine curve" in the model that tries to flatten out convention bounces and Romney got too small a one. (Your point above)

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4) Economic indicators have been trending up and that helps the incumbent in the model.
 
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walrus said:
Really? I'd say if the price gas keeps going up he is toast
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Lots of things are important: unemployment, gas prices, food prices, house values, stock market.

At this point gas prices and the stock market are probably about the only things that have the volatility to really move hard in either candidate's direction.
 
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It's interesting to see that the Democrats basically are banking on the majority of the voting populace being stupid, or at least unable to think clearly enough to make a connection.

They keep talking about what terrible things the Republicans will do to address the nation's problems, while offering no solutions of their own. do the Democrats really believe that only by increasing taxes on "the rich" that all of our fiscal problems will be solved?

Obama says he wants to spend spend spend (okay "invest" "invest" "invest") yet offers no way to pay for that "investment." and sheeply meekly accept that without question?

yikes.
 
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FreshFish said:
It's interesting to see that the Democrats basically are banking on the majority of the voting populace being stupid, or at least unable to think clearly enough to make a connection.

They keep talking about what terrible things the Republicans will do to address the nation's problems, while offering no solutions of their own. do the Democrats really believe that only by increasing taxes on "the rich" that all of our fiscal problems will be solved?

Obama says he wants to spend spend spend (okay "invest" "invest" "invest") yet offers no way to pay for that "investment." and sheeply meekly accept that without question?

yikes.
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This is some good comedy here.

All I ask is that Mitt Romney pay the same percentage as Paul Ryan. Under the new Republican plan that gap widens.

And Bill Clinton gave a policy speech last night. I didn't hear a single policy speech out of any of the RNC guys last week. So, who doesn't offer solutions?
 
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