2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Please see previous posts about having to deal with fallout dust when Iran, Russia, China nuke the South.

Within one generation the CSA will be back to the 15th century. Nobody's going to have to nuke them; they'll be doing R&D on the flintlock.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

When even David Brooks thinks you're an elitist prick, things are probably not going well.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

So the voting coalition Romney seems to be shooting for is crabby old rich white guy social conservatives plus a smattering of young males who aren't getting laid? I think those are the only groups he hasn't offended or outright dismissed.

 

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

So the voting coalition Romney seems to be shooting for is crabby old rich white guy social conservatives plus a smattering of young males who aren't getting laid? I think those are the only groups he hasn't offended or outright dismissed.

you're wrong - I am offended!
But come to think of it, I'm not that young anymore.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

If the Mittwit ends up losing the election, a lot of people will point to this videotape I'm sure as the "turning point". Personally I think it was the Clinton convention speech that was the beginning of the end. In particular he made two key points: 1) You are better off than you were 4 years ago (800K jobs lost per month vs 100K gained now). 2) Republicans caused the problem and because Obama hasn't had enough time to fix their mess, they want to be put in charge again.

Dems were their usual befuddled self until Clinton framed issue #1 for them. Immediately they ginned up ads with the same argument, while Romney pivoted away from a solely economic focus. The 2nd issue was even more salient. Simply put it was who do you trust to run the economy, Bush policies or Clinton ones? Democratic policies vs Republican ones. This is the core of Romney's problems, even beyond his own unlikeability. People in no way, shape, or form think a 3rd GWB term served by Mittens will improve anything, from the economy to foreign policy. The Republican brand is as toxic as Old Pio's underwear (so I hear) and about as fun to be around.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Boom.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

If the Mittwit ends up losing the election, a lot of people will point to this videotape I'm sure as the "turning point". Personally I think it was the Clinton convention speech that was the beginning of the end. In particular he made two key points: 1) You are better off than you were 4 years ago (800K jobs lost per month vs 100K gained now). 2) Republicans caused the problem and because Obama hasn't had enough time to fix their mess, they want to be put in charge again.

Dems were their usual befuddled self until Clinton framed issue #1 for them. Immediately they ginned up ads with the same argument, while Romney pivoted away from a solely economic focus. The 2nd issue was even more salient. Simply put it was who do you trust to run the economy, Bush policies or Clinton ones? Democratic policies vs Republican ones. This is the core of Romney's problems, even beyond his own unlikeability. People in no way, shape, or form think a 3rd GWB term served by Mittens will improve anything, from the economy to foreign policy. The Republican brand is as toxic as Old Pio's underwear (so I hear) and about as fun to be around.

1. The advantages of just taking a single point off a graph.
2. It was a Democrat-controlled DC in all three sectors that repealed Glass-Steagall. But don't let the facts trip you up.

 

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

If the Mittwit ends up losing the election, a lot of people will point to this videotape I'm sure as the "turning point". Personally I think it was the Clinton convention speech that was the beginning of the end. In particular he made two key points: 1) You are better off than you were 4 years ago (800K jobs lost per month vs 100K gained now). 2) Republicans caused the problem and because Obama hasn't had enough time to fix their mess, they want to be put in charge again.

Dems were their usual befuddled self until Clinton framed issue #1 for them. Immediately they ginned up ads with the same argument, while Romney pivoted away from a solely economic focus. The 2nd issue was even more salient. Simply put it was who do you trust to run the economy, Bush policies or Clinton ones? Democratic policies vs Republican ones. This is the core of Romney's problems, even beyond his own unlikeability. People in no way, shape, or form think a 3rd GWB term served by Mittens will improve anything, from the economy to foreign policy. The Republican brand is as toxic as Old Pio's underwear (so I hear) and about as fun to be around.

news flash: None of that matters even a little bit. The election was decided when the non-thinking 90% of the electorate took a passing glance at the candidates and decided Obama was the guy they most want to get drunk with. They just happened to pick the better guy this time by chance. Embrace the insanity!

 

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Boom.

What I get a kick out of are those relevatory "news" stories pointing out that voter fraud has been virtually nonexistent when you look for past violations. Well no **** nobody was prosecuted for breaking a law that didn't exist! If you weren't ever required to prove who you were, why would anyone be arrested for not proving who they were? It's a contagion of idiocy in our media that also infects science writing (especially medical research study reporting, my pet peeve).
The number of past convictions for voter fraud has absolutely a big fat zero to do with whether or not we ought to require people, going forward, in future elections, to prove their identities. Nobody ever asked them for ID before! Wake up news consumers!

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

news flash: None of that matters even a little bit. The election was decided when the non-thinking 90% of the electorate took a passing glance at the candidates and decided Obama was the guy they most want to get drunk with. They just happened to pick the better guy this time by chance. Embrace the insanity!

I can't imagine anyone wanting to get drunk with Obama more than with Palin. With Obama you'd get a comparative analysis of socio-economic theory. With Palin you'd get laid (albeit, you'd probably also get the clap).

 

[geezer]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I can't imagine anyone wanting to get drunk with Obama more than with Palin. With Obama you'd get a comparative analysis of socio-economic theory. With Palin you'd get laid (albeit, you'd probably also get the clap).

I'm telling you man, you've got to find a way to move on. The candidate is "Mitt" Romney.

Now that I think of it, I think the predictive data point is actually "Most want to have a drink with". Not "get drunk with." My mistake.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I'm telling you man, you've got to find a way to move on. The candidate is "Mitt" Romney.

Now that I think of it, I think the predictive data point is actually "Most want to have a drink with". Not "get drunk with." My mistake.

You have to forgive Kepler; he uses the word "republican" the same way the Catholics use the word "sin".

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

1. The advantages of just taking a single point off a graph.
2. It was a Democrat-controlled DC in all three sectors that repealed Glass-Steagall. But don't let the facts trip you up.

Its all the way in how you frame it Flaggy. Obama-Clinton vs Romney-Bush II. I'll take those odds thank you very much!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Its all the way in how you frame it Flaggy. Obama-Clinton vs Romney-Bush II. I'll take those odds thank you very much!

When has Dubya come out and said anything?

 

[duper]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Great article covering the bases of why Romney would make the "47% of the country are freeloaders" statement and what's inside the far right psyche that lets them disproportionately take government money with one hand while shaking the other fist about "dependency."

Another headline:

MITT TO VOTERS: DROP DEAD

I think the comment comes down to the fact that he was in what he considered a friendly environment. I may or may not once have been paid to attend a local Republican fundraiser dinner (most horribly unpleasant "social" gathering ever*), at which Tom Tancredo spoke briefly. Dinner was very late being served, so one of the local party people, in apologizing for the lateness, quipped that when Tom Tancredo walked in the front door, all the kitchen help ran out the back.

It's hard to imagine that joke being used in a public setting in which there isn't an expectation of people agreeing with your politics.

*I suspect that I would have found a Democrat fundraiser very nearly as unpleasant. The people there were AWFUL.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

When has Dubya come out and said anything?

Whenever Romney pitches his economic proposals. There is zero difference with W. All that's missing is the fake Texas accent.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

What I get a kick out of are those relevatory "news" stories pointing out that voter fraud has been virtually nonexistent when you look for past violations. Well no **** nobody was prosecuted for breaking a law that didn't exist! If you weren't ever required to prove who you were, why would anyone be arrested for not proving who they were? It's a contagion of idiocy in our media that also infects science writing (especially medical research study reporting, my pet peeve).
The number of past convictions for voter fraud has absolutely a big fat zero to do with whether or not we ought to require people, going forward, in future elections, to prove their identities. Nobody ever asked them for ID before! Wake up news consumers!

Old Pio Annecdote Alert: During the Daley I regime, the Chairman of the Board of Election Commissioners in Chicago was a corrupt old pol named Sidney J. Holtzman (recall, these were all hand written registrations, no computers). Anyway, one year Republican Dick Ogilvie (ultimately became governor and NOT sent to prison) created something called Operaton Eagle Eye, to find out just how many winos were registered at Wrigley Field. Holtzman stated these were public records, but you can't come into my office during the day, it would disrupt things. Okay, how about we come in at night? Well these are public records, but you can't do that because my people would need to be paid overtime and we aren't budgeted for it. Okay, we'll pay whatever additional costs are involved. Well thanks, these ARE public records, you know. But you can't see 'em, now or ever.

New CBS/NYT poll finds 70% support for ID laws. Consistent with the WAPO poll that found 74% support, including 65% among African Americans.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I think the comment comes down to the fact that he was in what he considered a friendly environment. I may or may not once have been paid to attend a local Republican fundraiser dinner (most horribly unpleasant "social" gathering ever*), at which Tom Tancredo spoke briefly. Dinner was very late being served, so one of the local party people, in apologizing for the lateness, quipped that when Tom Tancredo walked in the front door, all the kitchen help ran out the back.

I also heard the point made today that when you charge $50k for dinner you better come across with something more than the stump speech. The yahoos who go to these things want to be jerked off before they write their checks, and the easiest way of doing this is for the candidate to say the things they all believe but aren't allowed to say in public.

So what we're left with is not a gaffe, but the candidate's admission that he at least believes his bribe--, er, donors believe that half the country are parasitic. Good way to win an election.

Candidates will learn they need to follow the "bulletin board rule."

 

[Bob Gray]

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Romney's mistake is in setting the percentage as low as 47%. Reality, given the feds giving away money to the tune of $1.2 trillion plus a year more than they have is that a whole lot of folks could reasonably be considered to be parasitic on the federal government. Of course the public doesn't like to be told such truths, which is why we just get campaign slogans for months on end. Just another sign that few in this country are ready for honest dialogue on the problems facing this nation.

 

[walrus]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I also heard the point made today that when you charge $50k for dinner you better come across with something more than the stump speech. The yahoos who go to these things want to be jerked off before they write their checks, and the easiest way of doing this is for the candidate to say the things they all believe but aren't allowed to say in public.

So what we're left with is not a gaffe, but the candidate's admission that he at least believes his bribe--, er, donors believe that half the country are parasitic. Good way to win an election.

Candidates will learn they need to follow the "bulletin board rule."

So Obama is the Pivot man at Beyonce and Jay Zee's House tonight?