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2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

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joecct said:
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Trying to understand your outrage here.

Is it that we should be upset that the government is 'stealing' private enterprise jobs because a clothes producer (FPI) is shifting production? Or is it that we should be upset that the government is not dictating where a private company (FPI) should source its production?

IMO unless they are consciously frauding someone, decisions made by a business operator (FPI) should be up to them and to help them build the best value product they can. In the end, that benefits the customer. Isn't that what free enterprise is all about?
 
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5mn_Major said:
IMO unless they are consciously frauding someone, decisions made by a business operator (FPI) should be up to them and to help them build the best value product they can. In the end, that benefits the customer. Isn't that what free enterprise is all about?
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The article claims that the government is required to deal with FPI, even if they aren't the lowest bidder. That's not free enterprise.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The article claims that the government is required to deal with FPI, even if they aren't the lowest bidder. That's not free enterprise.
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The story has some merit then.

But special interests are special interests. These stories are a dime a dozen. If there's outrage, we really should focus on the one's that are causing monumental distortions/damage such as oil, drug, insurance, military suppliers...and not the smallest one's we can find because the have the word government in them.
 
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If they tried enforcing obscenity laws, 2014 and 2016 would have a new political phenomena named after Larry Flynt where 60% of men as usual support Republicans in polls but turns into 8% when they get into the private voting booth.
 
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bronconick said:
If they tried enforcing obscenity laws, 2014 and 2016 would have a new political phenomena named after Larry Flynt where 60% of men as usual support Republicans in polls but turns into 8% when they get into the private voting booth.
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Either that, or these people start looking towards the Libertarian party.
 
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Both the views of the party from the days of Dole, Bush I, etc as well as the views of Mitt Romney himself have slid to the right from the 90s when Goldwater was considered even too liberal for the party. Likewise today the GOP is seeing moderates getting voted out at tea partiers coming in with a platform further to the right.

In a yet another sign that the move to the right over the last 20some years is not enough...conservative pundits are predicting that a Romney loss will usher the end of the GOP:

Right-wing radio: Romney loses, GOP
Politico

Leading conservative talk show hosts Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham are both arguing that the Republican party will or should be shut down if Mitt Romney loses in November -- an idea that, however hard to believe, gives you an indication of the right wing's dissatisfaction with the Republican party.

"If you can't beat Barack Obama with this record, then shut down the party. Shut it down, start new, with new people. Because this is a gimme election, or at least it should be," Ingraham said on her radio program yesterday. "Election after election, we hire people who have lost previous campaigns, who have run campaigns that have failed, who have messaged campaigns where the message fell flat, and they keep getting re-hired."

Where Ingraham made an argument, Limbaugh made a prediction: The Republicans would fall, but not before blaming the conservative base for their woes and opening a window for a third, more conservative party to take their place.

"If Obama wins, let me tell you what it's the end of: The Republican Party. There's gonna be a third party that's gonna be oriented toward conservatism. I know Rand Paul thinks libertarianism. And I know if Obama wins, the Republican Party is gonna try to maneuver things so conservatives get blamed," he said.

"The only problem is, right now Romney's not running a conservative campaign. But they're gonna set it up to say, 'Well, the right sat home,' or, 'The right made Romney be other than who he is.' They'll try to deflect the blame, but they got who they want."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Either that, or these people start looking towards the Libertarian party.
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Which would be better than the current GOP in as much as it kicks the social conservatives out on their ***. But there's still plenty as a moderate to not like about the current Libertarian party platform (ie, it's pro-gold standard, abolish the fed, RON PAUL-based economic platform).

But at least it'd be a major step in the right direction.
 
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5mn_Major said:
In a yet another sign that the move to the right over the last 20some years is not enough...conservative pundits are predicting that a Romney loss will usher the end of the GOP
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Rush will say anything for ratings. Remember he was going to move to Costa Rica if Obama won in '08?

I would love it if the two parties in this country were libertarian-left (Democratic) vs libertarian-right (Libertarian), but the authoritarian strain is too strong in the population, so there will always be a base for the Republicans.

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As much as people may like the thought of a 3rd party, I'm not sure people like Gary "lets get stoned to the bejeezus" Johnson are the answer. It would have to be a credible nominee with mainstream ideas in a variety of subjects who was also well funded. In my lifetime, Ross Perot was the only candidate to accomplish this. The only way I can see this working is if a sitting officeholder got a likeminded block to start their own party (say Yankee Republicans or Tea Partiers or Blue Dog Democrats). Then they could have sway if they controlled a portion of votes in the Congress, sorta along the lines of how Kadima came about over in Israel.
 
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unofan said:
Which would be better than the current GOP in as much as it kicks the social conservatives out on their ***. But there's still plenty as a moderate to not like about the current Libertarian party platform (ie, it's pro-gold standard, abolish the fed, RON PAUL-based economic platform).

But at least it'd be a major step in the right direction.
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Probably the reason they wouldn't like it is because it is staunch fiscal conservatism. Tightening the purse strings, as it were. Also, it's not abolishing the fed so much as it is auditing the fed and removing the plausible deniability by inserting some cheques and balances. Not everyone is in agreement with Ron Paul's ideas, but there are some decent ones such as "FairTax" and Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan; I don't know how crazy I am about that but is a compromise between FairTax and the current system. If there's one thing I've noticed, though, it's that GenY really is not very greedy of a generation at all, and the primary focus has been paying for their parents' (i.e. the baby boomers) mistakes. I think we're also a very Jerry Springer motivated generation in which we desire freedom and feel caged up by the older generations. Perhaps that's another reason why we're enticed by the Libertarian party, because it's the closest thing to the American dream that our Founding Fathers created.
 
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Kepler said:
Rush will say anything for ratings. Remember he was going to move to Costa Rica if Obama won in '08?

I would love it if the two parties in this country were libertarian-left (Democratic) vs libertarian-right (Libertarian), but the authoritarian strain is too strong in the population, so there will always be a base for the Republicans.

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OK, you're going to have to explain what you mean by libertarian left/right. That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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Rover said:
As much as people may like the thought of a 3rd party, I'm not sure people like Gary "lets get stoned to the bejeezus" Johnson are the answer. It would have to be a credible nominee with mainstream ideas in a variety of subjects who was also well funded. In my lifetime, Ross Perot was the only candidate to accomplish this. The only way I can see this working is if a sitting officeholder got a likeminded block to start their own party (say Yankee Republicans or Tea Partiers or Blue Dog Democrats). Then they could have sway if they controlled a portion of votes in the Congress, sorta along the lines of how Kadima came about over in Israel.
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The obvious group would be southern conservatives. They've been voting as a distinctive bloc since the Founding, and they already self-ID as a nation within a nation. The new party could even use the stupid stars and bars as their symbol.

It would also serve as a first step towards a regional separatist movement, which would be the best thing to happen to the rest of the country.
 
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Kepler said:
The obvious group would be southern conservatives. They've been voting as a distinctive bloc since the Founding, and they already self-ID as a nation within a nation. The new party could even use the stupid stars and bars as their symbol.

It would also serve as a first step towards a regional separatist movement, which would be the best thing to happen to the rest of the country.
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I still think Abraham the Fascist Lincoln should have let them secede.
 
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Great article covering the bases of why Romney would make the "47% of the country are freeloaders" statement and what's inside the far right psyche that lets them disproportionately take government money with one hand while shaking the other fist about "dependency."

Another headline:

MITT TO VOTERS: DROP DEAD
 
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We can let them go now, I guess. Letting them go in 1860 inevitably leads us to fighting the First World War on the German side while the south sucked up to the French and British and about 5-10x the number of casualties for the same eventual result (Confederate defeat and capitulation) as 1861-65 did.
 
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