2012 Presidential Election Part 4

[FreshFish]

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What annoys many of us about you Condescending Cognoscenti Chorale Participants is not that you suppport Obama, it is your slavish and unconditional devotion, no matter what.

I have some news for you: show me a person who never makes mistakes, and generally I will show you a person who has stopped learning and growing.

You can tell right away that Romney has made a lot of mistakes in his life merely by how successful he is.

If it is never "my fault," then I am powerless to do anything different next time. If I take responsibility and embrace my mistakes, I can become more effective next time.

 

[DrDemento]

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Do the democrats always wear blue ties and the republicans always red?

Used to be said years a go that wearing these colors to court- blue signified sincerity and red signified strength and power. In modern days-probably totally insignificant. Just as in advertising on TV back in the early days of color TV, blue eyed spokes people (especially women) signified honesty and truth while dark eyes came across as sinister. Not much credence given to any of that any more.

 

[bronconick]

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538 has Ohio as being the decisive state in the electoral college 49.9% of the time.

You sad, sorry mother****ers.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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What annoys many of us about you Condescending Cognoscenti Chorale Participants is not that you suppport Obama, it is your slavish and unconditional devotion, no matter what.

I have some news for you: show me a person who never makes mistakes, and generally I will show you a person who has stopped learning and growing.

You can tell right away that Romney has made a lot of mistakes in his life merely by how successful he is.

If it is never "my fault," then I am powerless to do anything different next time. If I take responsibility and embrace my mistakes, I can become more effective next time.

Now you know why I call the current Democrat party a religion. They want to expel other religions similar to how every other religion in the world wants to expel other religions, whether it be with Crusades, the thing nobody expects, modern day stonings and crucifixions, etc.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Used to be said years a go that wearing these colors to court- blue signified sincerity and red signified strength and power. In modern days-probably totally insignificant. Just as in advertising on TV back in the early days of color TV, blue eyed spokes people (especially women) signified honesty and truth while dark eyes came across as sinister. Not much credence given to any of that any more.

I thought red signified courage, and blue justice?

Although I do like your definition better, as people might figure out I'm not a dirty liar.

 

[Rover]

Why don't we just call it off and coronate that cheap, jumped up Chicago pol and save ourselves the expense? What's really fascinating is the libstains who now proudly proclaim what a great foreign policy genius His Islamistness is. Four years ago, after years of voting "present" in the Illinois General Assembly and dispatching the formidable Alan Keyes, his total absense of foreign policy experience wasn't important. Now, Romney's absence of foreign policy experience is why we should dispense with the balloting and just crown His Loserness.

And you are precisely the type of libstain, low information, anti-military dolt at whom the crack about ships and horses and bayonets was directed. It may work in the ladies chorale powder room, but I doubt it'll have much saliency among voters. Most of them are smart enough to know the missions, tactics, potential enemies and weapons have changed since 1918. And that merely counting the number of ships is a fool's errand, for which you are uniquely qualified.

Are you that upset that Mittens got humiliated on a national stage yet again? A better Obama line for you Old Peed, was "1980 called, it wants its foreign policy back"!

What's best is your last paragraph. That's exactly what Obama is saying, so its nice to see you agreeing with him. Do you even know what day it is anymore?

BTW - If Benghazi is a Watergate type coverup, why didn't Mittens bring it up during a debate on foreign policy?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Are you that upset that Mittens got humiliated on a national stage yet again? A better Obama line for you Old Peed, was "1980 called, it wants its foreign policy back"!

What's best is your last paragraph. That's exactly what Obama is saying, so its nice to see you agreeing with him. Do you even know what day it is anymore?

BTW - If Benghazi is a Watergate type coverup, why didn't Mittens bring it up during a debate on foreign policy?

I only listened to the last half hour on the radio after coming home from the casino, but it sounded to me like the motormouth had nothing new to offer. Just the same talking points. As for Romney? Also talking points. This debate actually did help: their stance on drones confirmed why I'm going third party. I wouldn't trust this government's "alternate use" for those drones, such as selling to a bankrupt state that wants to make money through 1-10.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Worst of the debates. Neither candidates made any major botches, but neither was real compelling either. But, that figures as the American public generally doesn't care much about foreign policy except when something really huge happens. So, not surprising that the candidates kept circling back to domestic issues.

I wonder how the timing for each candidate went last night. Do the Dems make a sweep and get more time in all four debates?

Glad I don't live in Ohio these last two weeks. I'm sure the amount of cold calling and all is well nigh unbearable.

 

[Rover]

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Huskyfan brought up a good point (did I just say that?) when she mentioned about ad dollars and where they're going. At this point I don't see any reason for anybody to pull dollars out of where they're already advertising. With the amount of money both candidates have, as well as the market saturation Bob alluded to, I'm not sure there's any ad time left to buy anywhere.

So, I think NBC gave NC to Romney and NV to Obama and said there's 7 states left (CO, IA, WI, OH, NH, FL, VA). Lets use that for a minute. The other big factor right now to look at is early voting. I believe IA, OH and FL have it. Not sure about the others. What I'm looking for is how early voting in those states compares to 2008. Some have dismissed this as votes in the bank that would have occurred anyway on election day. I'm not so sure. Get your votes in early and you have the ability to go out and reach more voters who may be inclined to back you but are lukewarm about actually getting to the polls. Instead of a GOTV window of 12 hours, you have two weeks or more in some places.

Republican campaign operatives aren't stupid (as opposed to Republican politicians who are). They realize this fundamentally changes how you plan for an election. Hence their focus on ending early voting as opposed to setting up their own competing aparatus to get people voting before election day. I'm not sure how things are looking right now but somebody going into Nov 6th with a 15 point lead amongst the 30-40% of the total voting population that's cast their ballots earlier is going to be tough to overcome on that Tuesday.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Worst of the debates. Neither candidates made any major botches, but neither was real compelling either. But, that figures as the American public generally doesn't care much about foreign policy except when something really huge happens. So, not surprising that the candidates kept circling back to domestic issues.

I wonder how the timing for each candidate went last night. Do the Dems make a sweep and get more time in all four debates?

Glad I don't live in Ohio these last two weeks. I'm sure the amount of cold calling and all is well nigh unbearable.

Jason Lewis was saying during his show that they should have kept going back to domestic policy because without a strong domestic showing, you aren't going to get anywhere in the foreign realm. That's probably why they did that.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Huskyfan brought up a good point (did I just say that?) when she mentioned about ad dollars and where they're going. At this point I don't see any reason for anybody to pull dollars out of where they're already advertising. With the amount of money both candidates have, as well as the market saturation Bob alluded to, I'm not sure there's any ad time left to buy anywhere.

So, I think NBC gave NC to Romney and NV to Obama and said there's 7 states left (CO, IA, WI, OH, NH, FL, VA). Lets use that for a minute. The other big factor right now to look at is early voting. I believe IA, OH and FL have it. Not sure about the others. What I'm looking for is how early voting in those states compares to 2008. Some have dismissed this as votes in the bank that would have occurred anyway on election day. I'm not so sure. Get your votes in early and you have the ability to go out and reach more voters who may be inclined to back you but are lukewarm about actually getting to the polls. Instead of a GOTV window of 12 hours, you have two weeks or more in some places.

Republican campaign operatives aren't stupid (as opposed to Republican politicians who are). They realize this fundamentally changes how you plan for an election. Hence their focus on ending early voting as opposed to setting up their own competing aparatus to get people voting before election day. I'm not sure how things are looking right now but somebody going into Nov 6th with a 15 point lead amongst the 30-40% of the total voting population that's cast their ballots earlier is going to be tough to overcome on that Tuesday.

Then you get states like Washington that do all their ballots by mail. That's just ASKING for fraud and retaliation. All you need is one Black Panther civil servant to create a hit list of those that don't vote for the messiah dictator.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Jason Lewis was saying during his show that they should have kept going back to domestic policy because without a strong domestic showing, you aren't going to get anywhere in the foreign realm. That's probably why they did that.

It was interesting in a way to see them say they agree on certain things, but I don't think the voting public was that interested in some of the issues, like how much we use drones. I could have understood if they had specifically steered part of the debate back to domestic issues, rather than putting a lot of topics out there that are far down the list of what the voting public is interested in.

 

[SJHovey]

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The Flipster can't even get the Salt Lake Tribune to endorse him: Tribune endorsement: Too Many Mitts

I was in SLC about 10 years ago, waiting for a connecting flight. I bought a copy of the what appeared to be the two daily newspapers in the City. As I recall, there was a pretty distinct "pro-LDS" vs "not so pro-LDS" tenor to the two papers, and there may have even been some sort of longstanding dispute. I'm sure Romney would have preferred the nomination, but does anyone have any actual knowledge of the SL Tribune's current relationship with the church? I don't, but I do know it's a strange, strange city and state.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I was in SLC about 10 years ago, waiting for a connecting flight. I bought a copy of the what appeared to be the two daily newspapers in the City. As I recall, there was a pretty distinct "pro-LDS" vs "not so pro-LDS" tenor to the two papers, and there may have even been some sort of longstanding dispute. I'm sure Romney would have preferred the nomination, but does anyone have any actual knowledge of the SL Tribune's current relationship with the church? I don't, but I do know it's a strange, strange city and state.

Reminds me of the heated football rivalry between the University of Utah and BYU. You do wonder if the SL Tribune is the non-LDS paper and the other is the LDS paper? Don't know myself, but sounds like a viable scenario.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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It was interesting in a way to see them say they agree on certain things, but I don't think the voting public was that interested in some of the issues, like how much we use drones. I could have understood if they had specifically steered part of the debate back to domestic issues, rather than putting a lot of topics out there that are far down the list of what the voting public is interested in.

Given we just recently had a drone protest in the area this past weekend, I'd say some are interested. Who brought up the drones anyway, was that the moderator? It wouldn't surprise me if it was Obama, though. I know I have interest in drones not because of today's use, but because of tomorrow's use. That's how "1984"-esque societies are created.

 

[Rover]

Given we just recently had a drone protest in the area this past weekend, I'd say some are interested. Who brought up the drones anyway, was that the moderator? It wouldn't surprise me if it was Obama, though. I know I have interest in drones not because of today's use, but because of tomorrow's use. That's how "1984"-esque societies are created.

To all conservatives worried about drones being used on them post election, I'm reminded of the old Guns and Roses video for "You Could Be Mine" from the Terminator II soundtrack, where Aaaahnold finds the band out back after a concert and upon confronting Axl the computer screen that he views flashes "WASTE OF AMMO" as its assessment of him.

 

[ericredaxe]

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Huskyfan brought up a good point (did I just say that?) when she mentioned about ad dollars and where they're going. At this point I don't see any reason for anybody to pull dollars out of where they're already advertising. With the amount of money both candidates have, as well as the market saturation Bob alluded to, I'm not sure there's any ad time left to buy anywhere.

So, I think NBC gave NC to Romney and NV to Obama and said there's 7 states left (CO, IA, WI, OH, NH, FL, VA). Lets use that for a minute. The other big factor right now to look at is early voting. I believe IA, OH and FL have it. Not sure about the others. What I'm looking for is how early voting in those states compares to 2008. Some have dismissed this as votes in the bank that would have occurred anyway on election day. I'm not so sure. Get your votes in early and you have the ability to go out and reach more voters who may be inclined to back you but are lukewarm about actually getting to the polls. Instead of a GOTV window of 12 hours, you have two weeks or more in some places.

Republican campaign operatives aren't stupid (as opposed to Republican politicians who are). They realize this fundamentally changes how you plan for an election. Hence their focus on ending early voting as opposed to setting up their own competing aparatus to get people voting before election day. I'm not sure how things are looking right now but somebody going into Nov 6th with a 15 point lead amongst the 30-40% of the total voting population that's cast their ballots earlier is going to be tough to overcome on that Tuesday.

A recent poll in the Boston area had Obama ahead by 8 in NH... who knows though.

It almost seems though as if it is coming down to whoever wins Ohio wins the election.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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To all conservatives worried about drones being used on them post election, I'm reminded of the old Guns and Roses video for "You Could Be Mine" from the Terminator II soundtrack, where Aaaahnold finds the band out back after a concert and upon confronting Axl the computer screen that he views flashes "WASTE OF AMMO" as its assessment of him.

You're bent up on the only use of drones is to kill people. Think of what else they could be used for. Here, I'll give you a hint...

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7ybqoQrnkiI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

You might now understand my previous 1-10 comment, now.

 

[pirate]

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A recent poll in the Boston area had Obama ahead by 8 in NH... who knows though.

It almost seems though as if it is coming down to whoever wins Ohio wins the election.

Going to be hard to fit this on the license plates:

Live For Free and Then 15 Strangers Decide When You Die

 

[huskyfan]

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Romney/Ryan in Nevada today. so they havent conceded there.