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2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
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northhockey
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Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
So my question if UND finishes in the 4th spot, would they sent them to cornell or would they be an away team with a higher seed? has that ever happened before? (wouldnt put it past the nc$$
So my question if UND finishes in the 4th spot, would they sent them to cornell or would they be an away team with a higher seed? has that ever happened before? (wouldnt put it past the nc$$
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Now if there are 3 WCHA teams in the top 4, it guarantees that Cornell would host an eastern team in the quarterfinals, much like when it drew Dartmouth last year even though Dartmouth was No. 8 and Cornell was No. 2.
It's really important for the three WCHA teams to make the top 4 because that will ensure none of them will play each other. If Minnesota is 3 and UND is 5 or less, you might still see UND being shipped to Minnesota (at which point these two teams may have seen a lot of each other)
Now if there are 3 WCHA teams in the top 4, it guarantees that Cornell would host an eastern team in the quarterfinals, much like when it drew Dartmouth last year even though Dartmouth was No. 8 and Cornell was No. 2.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
It's certainly happened in other sports, like softball, where a team is a higher seed but doesn't host because their facility is not capable of hosting an NCAA regional.
The nickname battle with the NCAA is resolved at the moment, so the Ralph can host NCAA events? I know there are petitions to reinstate the name in conflict with the NCAA.
No, not in women's hockey. The top 4 have always hosted. They can host as long as they've applied to host.
It's certainly happened in other sports, like softball, where a team is a higher seed but doesn't host because their facility is not capable of hosting an NCAA regional.
The nickname battle with the NCAA is resolved at the moment, so the Ralph can host NCAA events? I know there are petitions to reinstate the name in conflict with the NCAA.
northhockey
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Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
So you could have WI, MN, and ND all hosting. I like the sound of that.
So you could have WI, MN, and ND all hosting. I like the sound of that.
ARM
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Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
That's part of the bid to host by the higher seeds; in some cases, only one date is available for the facility, or perhaps it is better logistically due to other activities scheduled on campus.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
And with the big win in Ithaca tonight, Big Red jumps to #2 in the Pairwise. BC with the win over Harvard, jumps all the way to 4th (wow!) And Harvard with the loss falls to #8.
Women’s Division I PairWise Rankings
Switch to Pairwise Rankings Comparison Grid »
Click on a column header to sort by that column.Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank vs. TUC TUC %
1 Wisconsin 11 26-2-2 .9000 1 .6741* 1 10-2-2 .7857
2 Cornell 10 22-3-0 .8800 2 .6399* 2 7-3-0 .7000
3 Minnesota 9 24-4-2 .8333 3 .6364* 3 8-3-1 .7083
4 Boston College 8 19-8-3 .6833 7t .5760* 4 8-4-2 .6429
5t North Dakota 6 18-9-2 .6552 11t .5733* 5 3-7-2 .3333
5t Mercyhurst 6 19-6-2 .7407 5 .5673* 6 2-3-0 .4000
7 Northeastern 5 18-6-3 .7222 6 .5645* 8 3-4-2 .4444
8 Harvard 4 16-8-1 .6600 10 .5647* 7 3-7-0 .3000
9 Dartmouth 3 15-7-2 .6667 9 .5584* 9 3-4-1 .4375
10t Minnesota-Duluth 2 15-12-1 .5536 17 .5496 10 4-9-1 .3214
10t Boston University 2 16-12-1 .5690 15 .5446 12 5-8-1 .3929
12 Clarkson 0 18-7-5 .6833 7t .5470* 11 2-4-2 .3750
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz1ll1K3vlo
And with the big win in Ithaca tonight, Big Red jumps to #2 in the Pairwise. BC with the win over Harvard, jumps all the way to 4th (wow!) And Harvard with the loss falls to #8.
Women’s Division I PairWise Rankings
Switch to Pairwise Rankings Comparison Grid »
Click on a column header to sort by that column.Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank vs. TUC TUC %
1 Wisconsin 11 26-2-2 .9000 1 .6741* 1 10-2-2 .7857
2 Cornell 10 22-3-0 .8800 2 .6399* 2 7-3-0 .7000
3 Minnesota 9 24-4-2 .8333 3 .6364* 3 8-3-1 .7083
4 Boston College 8 19-8-3 .6833 7t .5760* 4 8-4-2 .6429
5t North Dakota 6 18-9-2 .6552 11t .5733* 5 3-7-2 .3333
5t Mercyhurst 6 19-6-2 .7407 5 .5673* 6 2-3-0 .4000
7 Northeastern 5 18-6-3 .7222 6 .5645* 8 3-4-2 .4444
8 Harvard 4 16-8-1 .6600 10 .5647* 7 3-7-0 .3000
9 Dartmouth 3 15-7-2 .6667 9 .5584* 9 3-4-1 .4375
10t Minnesota-Duluth 2 15-12-1 .5536 17 .5496 10 4-9-1 .3214
10t Boston University 2 16-12-1 .5690 15 .5446 12 5-8-1 .3929
12 Clarkson 0 18-7-5 .6833 7t .5470* 11 2-4-2 .3750
Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz1ll1K3vlo
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Well, BC has been about 4th most of the year. More like the Harvard win kind of made up for the loss to Providence last week. Mercyhurst losing also helps there.
BC, with the solid record against the RPI top 12, is fairly well positioned for home ice. The last home ice spot probably comes down to them and UND, if BC can hold serve the next couple weeks and go deep in the Hockey East tournament, vs. whether UND can pull off some wins over the Gophers.
It matters a lot for Mercyhurst whether SLU makes the top 12, since they are 2-0 vs. SLU and 2-3 vs. the present top 12 (BC & Cornell). Mercyhurst does have a solid common opponents advantage against much of their competition. They have to do well enough in conference to keep up their RPI.
Well, BC has been about 4th most of the year. More like the Harvard win kind of made up for the loss to Providence last week. Mercyhurst losing also helps there.
BC, with the solid record against the RPI top 12, is fairly well positioned for home ice. The last home ice spot probably comes down to them and UND, if BC can hold serve the next couple weeks and go deep in the Hockey East tournament, vs. whether UND can pull off some wins over the Gophers.
It matters a lot for Mercyhurst whether SLU makes the top 12, since they are 2-0 vs. SLU and 2-3 vs. the present top 12 (BC & Cornell). Mercyhurst does have a solid common opponents advantage against much of their competition. They have to do well enough in conference to keep up their RPI.
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brookyone
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Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Sorry, I just meant WOW because they jumped from 7 to 4 with one win and a loss by Mercyhurst. NU just beat BU, but I don't think they will move anymore (they already moved from 8 to 7 before their win was in the books). But, if Mercyhurst continues to slide (ie. lose anymore CHA games), they could be on the outside looking in with BC, NU, Harvard and Dartmouth all Eastern teams steadily moving along.
Sorry, I just meant WOW because they jumped from 7 to 4 with one win and a loss by Mercyhurst. NU just beat BU, but I don't think they will move anymore (they already moved from 8 to 7 before their win was in the books). But, if Mercyhurst continues to slide (ie. lose anymore CHA games), they could be on the outside looking in with BC, NU, Harvard and Dartmouth all Eastern teams steadily moving along.
ManBehindTheCurtain
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Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Still a couple of weeks to go.
It is looking to me more and more like UMD needs an autobid to even get into the tournament.
Which, to be fair, I believe they are capable of achieving. It is a difficult task, but . . .
Still a couple of weeks to go.
It is looking to me more and more like UMD needs an autobid to even get into the tournament.
Which, to be fair, I believe they are capable of achieving. It is a difficult task, but . . .
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
It's all very counterintuitive. Losing to someone like Robert Morris or Syracuse should hurt you more than losing to a top 12 team (it does in the RPI component, but not in the ranking as a whole). The system sucks, but that's what we have. At least we have an 8-team tournament rather than something worse.
I think Mercyhurst can afford to lose another of their 6 remaining CHA games without any trouble (that's assuming they reach the CHA final). Two more losses things probably get more dicey, but they're probably fine with 2 more CHA losses if SLU finishes in the top 12.
It's all very counterintuitive. Losing to someone like Robert Morris or Syracuse should hurt you more than losing to a top 12 team (it does in the RPI component, but not in the ranking as a whole). The system sucks, but that's what we have. At least we have an 8-team tournament rather than something worse.
OnMAA
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Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
NU did move, from 7 back to 8 after their WIN of BU got recorded. They win over BU, knock BU out of the top 12, but then have to count in their loss vs SLU, as they move back into the top 12. The beneficiaries were Harvard and UND who both moved up a spot.
Let the musical chairs continue.
NU did move, from 7 back to 8 after their WIN of BU got recorded. They win over BU, knock BU out of the top 12, but then have to count in their loss vs SLU, as they move back into the top 12. The beneficiaries were Harvard and UND who both moved up a spot.
Let the musical chairs continue.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
I guess if you look at the totality of the evening wins and losses -- BC was the biggest benefactor with their win they jump from 7th to 4th and then really everyone (4-7) just slides down from there. NU stayed at 8 where they started the day.
Very interesting to see how this will all end up.
I guess if you look at the totality of the evening wins and losses -- BC was the biggest benefactor with their win they jump from 7th to 4th and then really everyone (4-7) just slides down from there. NU stayed at 8 where they started the day.
Very interesting to see how this will all end up.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
I'd suggest focusing a bit more on the RPI for now to get a sense of where teams stand, since it's not subject to all these wild fluctuations of the top 12. BC is 4th now and Northeastern is 6th.
It looks to me like if BC and Northeastern can win the games they should in Hockey East, they should be a solid 4th and 5th in the RPI.
North Dakota is in some danger of falling to 7th or worse in RPI without another win against Minnesota.
I'd suggest focusing a bit more on the RPI for now to get a sense of where teams stand, since it's not subject to all these wild fluctuations of the top 12. BC is 4th now and Northeastern is 6th.
It looks to me like if BC and Northeastern can win the games they should in Hockey East, they should be a solid 4th and 5th in the RPI.
North Dakota is in some danger of falling to 7th or worse in RPI without another win against Minnesota.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Yes lets focus on the RPI which has Holy Cross and St Anselm in the top 6???
They just need to play down the top 32 teams. Then there would be a true top team. Every ranking system is flawed. Teams can win season series and be rated lower because a certain team won against someone who was rated high or lose against a low rated team? This is hockey and anything can happen in any given game. Best 2 out of 3 is the way to go in my opinion. I'm sure most teams would give up a couple of non conference games to have a play down system.
It would make the women’s game more noticeable and exciting.
Yes lets focus on the RPI which has Holy Cross and St Anselm in the top 6???
They just need to play down the top 32 teams. Then there would be a true top team. Every ranking system is flawed. Teams can win season series and be rated lower because a certain team won against someone who was rated high or lose against a low rated team? This is hockey and anything can happen in any given game. Best 2 out of 3 is the way to go in my opinion. I'm sure most teams would give up a couple of non conference games to have a play down system.
It would make the women’s game more noticeable and exciting.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
I do wish USCHO would code the RPI script to categorize the pseudo D-I teams separately, so there isn't that confusion.
While I agree every ranking system has problems, some are more certainly subject to more problems than others.
Sorry my point wasn't clear. My point was that the RPI (minus Holy Cross and St. Anselm) is a better indicator of where teams stand in the NCAA process than the PWR week-to-week because the PWR is so volatile. So we should focus on Northeastern rising to 6 more than them falling to 8 in the PWR.
I do wish USCHO would code the RPI script to categorize the pseudo D-I teams separately, so there isn't that confusion.
The problem is these tournaments cost money. Every sport in the NCAA that's not already at 64 wants to expand it's tournament. NCAA policy is aim at about 20-30% representation. The women's tournament isn't close to expanding any time soon.
While I agree every ranking system has problems, some are more certainly subject to more problems than others.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to sound hateful. Just don't like rankings. I just think 32 or even 16 playdown would only take 4 or 5 weekends and if you eliminate one non or 2 non conference weekends it wouldn't be any different as far as expense. Only true way not to have doubts and would really create interest.
As far as the RPI. I do feel UMD is a top 8-10 team. Their top line is that good and I would think they could beat many teams ahead of them in the RPI. The WCHA is penalized for how strong of a conference it is. If you add 3 or 4 more bottom dwellers as the east teams have the WCHA records would be better and you would see 4, 5, or even 6 teams in the top ten rankings all year.
Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to sound hateful. Just don't like rankings. I just think 32 or even 16 playdown would only take 4 or 5 weekends and if you eliminate one non or 2 non conference weekends it wouldn't be any different as far as expense. Only true way not to have doubts and would really create interest.
As far as the RPI. I do feel UMD is a top 8-10 team. Their top line is that good and I would think they could beat many teams ahead of them in the RPI. The WCHA is penalized for how strong of a conference it is. If you add 3 or 4 more bottom dwellers as the east teams have the WCHA records would be better and you would see 4, 5, or even 6 teams in the top ten rankings all year.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: 2012 NCAA Tournament: Division I Bracketology
Yale @ Wisconsin;
Union @ Cornell;
Connecticut @ Minnesota;
Vermont @ Boston College;
St. Cloud State @ North Dakota;
Rensselaer @ Northeastern;
Syracuse @ Mercyhurst;
Minnesota State @ Harvard;
Colgate @ Dartmouth;
Brown @ Minnesota-Duluth
... 10 games in, and they just don't seem that interesting to me for the cost associated with it. The money, if it existed, could be better put to use by coming up with a better ranking of the top teams and a tournament where bracket integrity didn't need to be compromised for financial reasons.
IMO, 32 is way too deep. Assuming that one took the current RPI and dropped the four teams that play mostly D-III opponents -- Holy Cross, St. Anselm, Sacred Heart, and St. Michael's -- plus Lindenwood, that is still working through the NCAA probation period, the list of playoff match ups would include:
Yale @ Wisconsin;
Union @ Cornell;
Connecticut @ Minnesota;
Vermont @ Boston College;
St. Cloud State @ North Dakota;
Rensselaer @ Northeastern;
Syracuse @ Mercyhurst;
Minnesota State @ Harvard;
Colgate @ Dartmouth;
Brown @ Minnesota-Duluth
... 10 games in, and they just don't seem that interesting to me for the cost associated with it. The money, if it existed, could be better put to use by coming up with a better ranking of the top teams and a tournament where bracket integrity didn't need to be compromised for financial reasons.