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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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Perry is electable. His "states rights when it's convenient for me" bit has been the tacit philosophy of the GOP for years.
Right. If you're gay, Federal. If you're straight, State. Health Care, State. Abortion, Contraception, Sodomy, etc., Federal.

Etc. Etc. Etc. He's still a lunatic. I don't know how he overcomes his gaffe's. He makes Bachmann look moderate.
 
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He makes Bachmann look moderate.
I can't imagine that's true. Bachmann is literally the craziest elected official I've ever seen, including members of our local school board who want to burn books and honestly believe Jesus has an opinion about football.
 
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I can't imagine that's true. Bachmann is literally the craziest elected official I've ever seen, including members of our local school board who want to burn books and honestly believe Jesus has an opinion about football.

As far as I know Bachmann hasn't threatened the life of the Fed Chair, or declared all entitlements unconstitutional. He's certifiable.
 
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As far as I know Bachmann hasn't threatened the life of the Fed Chair, or declared all entitlements unconstitutional. He's certifiable.
My understanding was that he said printing money was "treasonous," not that he was going to put a cap in Helicopter Ben's ass.
 
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My understanding was that he said printing money was "treasonous," not that he was going to put a cap in Helicopter Ben's ass.

I don’t know what you all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas," Perry said. "Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost ... treasonous in my opinion."

What would they do to him in Texas? Shake his hand? What's the penalty for treason?

I rest my case.
 
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My understanding was that he said printing money was "treasonous," not that he was going to put a cap in Helicopter Ben's ass.

He also said "I don't know what you'd do here in Iowa, but down in Texas, we'd treat [Bernake] real ugly." - or something close thereto.
 
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My understanding was that he said printing money was "treasonous," not that he was going to put a cap in Helicopter Ben's ass.

Under certain circumstances, accuracy is the wrong thing to bring to the party. This is definitely one of those circumstances. The chorale is constructing an edifice here, and you shouldn't point out any failures to adhere to the building codes.
 
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As far as I know Bachmann hasn't threatened the life of the Fed Chair, or declared all entitlements unconstitutional. He's certifiable.

What is this...a race to the bottom? What I do know is that Bachmann is less electable (as in not)...so she's the one between the two there I'm rooting for.
 
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Perry is electable.. I guess they're hoping there are enough votes in the part of Florida that's East Alabama and the part of Ohio that's North Kentucky.

That's not enough Kep and I think both pundits and righties are missing this point. Obama can lose Indiana (likely), North Carolina (sure, if Perry's the nominee), Virginia, Florida, AND Ohio and STILL get to 270. All he need do in that situation is win Nevada, Colorado and New Hampshire. Not only does Perry need to completely nail down the South including the border states near DC, he also needs to be strong in the midwest and the southwest. Not an impossible task, but even if you give him Florida and Ohio he has a ways to go.
 
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That's not enough Kep and I think both pundits and righties are missing this point. Obama can lose Indiana (likely), North Carolina (sure, if Perry's the nominee), Virginia, Florida, AND Ohio and STILL get to 270. All he need do in that situation is win Nevada, Colorado and New Hampshire. Not only does Perry need to completely nail down the South including the border states near DC, he also needs to be strong in the midwest and the southwest. Not an impossible task, but even if you give him Florida and Ohio he has a ways to go.

Good analysis as far as it goes. I don't see any mention of Pennsylvania.
 
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Good analysis as far as it goes. I don't see any mention of Pennsylvania.

I categorize PA like I do WI, MN, and to some extent AZ. Every 4 years there's talk of "swing state" "purple state" "could go either way" etc etc. The problem is those states have voted either Dem or GOP consistantly. I believe PA since 1992, WI the same, MN maybe back to at least 1988 and AZ 1996 for the only time since 1948! So when 2008 rolled around, I wasn't counting on NC or Indiana ending up Dem. It happened that way because the election was a blowout. If Obama loses PA in 2012, he'd be on his way to a Dukakis type arse kicking anyway. On the flip side, if a surge in Hispanic voting ended up flipping AZ, that means their votes have surged everwhere (like Florida for instance) and the election will already be over before that state is called.

So, for me the tipping point states I'll call them are Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, followed then by Nevada, Colorado, and New Hampshire. If Obama is leading in a place like North Carolina, or the Republican candidate is winning Wisconsin or Iowa going into election night, that indicates to me that a lot of other swing states have already gone overwhelmingly one way or the other.
 
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He also said "I don't know what you'd do here in Iowa, but down in Texas, we'd treat [Bernake] real ugly." - or something close thereto.
I always divide by two when listening to those guys do the Stupid Southerner Strut. It plays well with the rubes, but it's not serious.

The far right is a joke until that inevitable moment when, frustrated by defeats, they start beating people up in the streets. At that point they're an existential threat and law enforcement should take care of them. There's no in-between, and all the blowhards we've seen in the Tea Party and their fellow travelers still fall squarely into the pathetic former category.

Their rhetoric is irresponsible but so far the movement itself is laughable, not a serious problem to democratic institutions. They aren't even a lynch mob -- they're elementary school kids pretending to maybe hint at threatening to perhaps someday become a lynch mob if they don't get their candy. Stupid, yeah, but not really dangerous.
 
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for me the tipping point states I'll call them are Florida, Ohio, and Virginia
Obama aint winning Virginia, I will tell you that right now. 2008 was a harbinger of Virginia's future in that the state is becoming more educated and less rural, but there has been a big backlash here against the status quo. No incumbent is safe here now.

I would have said the same about Florida, but then the GOP shot themselves in the head with seniors. I don't know if they can recover from that among the blue hairs.
 
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I categorize PA like I do WI, MN, and to some extent AZ. Every 4 years there's talk of "swing state" "purple state" "could go either way" etc etc. The problem is those states have voted either Dem or GOP consistantly. I believe PA since 1992, WI the same, MN maybe back to at least 1988 and AZ 1996 for the only time since 1948! So when 2008 rolled around, I wasn't counting on NC or Indiana ending up Dem. It happened that way because the election was a blowout. If Obama loses PA in 2012, he'd be on his way to a Dukakis type arse kicking anyway. On the flip side, if a surge in Hispanic voting ended up flipping AZ, that means their votes have surged everwhere (like Florida for instance) and the election will already be over before that state is called.

So, for me the tipping point states I'll call them are Florida, Ohio, and Virginia, followed then by Nevada, Colorado, and New Hampshire. If Obama is leading in a place like North Carolina, or the Republican candidate is winning Wisconsin or Iowa going into election night, that indicates to me that a lot of other swing states have already gone overwhelmingly one way or the other.

That sounds right, although he can't win (barring an earthquake) without Pennsylvania. And as of now things look bad for him in Pennslyvania, plus Florida, Ohio and Virginia.
 
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Rubio would be a probable republican front runner in 2016 if Obama serves two terms. Went to UF and followed it up with Miami's law school, so I sure as hell can't vote for him.
 
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Rubio would be a probable republican front runner in 2016 if Obama serves two terms. Went to UF and followed it up with Miami's law school, so I sure as hell can't vote for him.

I think he's got to be the front-runner for 2012 VP right now.
 
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