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2012 Elections in 3-D!

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I'm very amused by the sudden shift in dynamic in this race in the past month. For the last couple of years, all we've heard about is how the economy is going to be the one and only issue on election day. Now, all of a sudden its gone from social issues to gas prices to....who knows what's next. So what gives righties? Is the economy going to be the issue that rides you to victory or not???
 
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I'm very amused by the sudden shift in dynamic in this race in the past month. For the last couple of years, all we've heard about is how the economy is going to be the one and only issue on election day. Now, all of a sudden its gone from social issues to gas prices to....who knows what's next. So what gives righties? Is the economy going to be the issue that rides you to victory or not???
In Soviet Russia, issues ride you!
 
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there's no way you're as dumb as Foxton...
IT'S A JOKE SON
Does it being a joke somehow make it not propaganda? It is just really well done propaganda. Frankly, I don't see how someone who believes in public schools would think that was funny. So, back to propaganda. So well done, in fact, that apparently some people can't recognize it as such.

To your question to Foxton about whether people are allowed to make jokes (or some dumb thing like that), yes of course anyone can do anything they think is funny. Now, why is it that because you find humor in something, you believe that I am not allowed to find that thing obnoxious and repellent?
 
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My favorite one is these bills going around (one in Arizona as we write) which would allow employers to deny coverage for birth control if they feel like it. I really, really have to wonder if anybody in the GOP has stopped to think about who their target audience is for this nonsense. You're now PO'ing the very married suburban mom who the party always tries to appeal to to please right wing nutjobs who are going to vote for you anyway. Makes sense to me. :confused::rolleyes:
 
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Does it being a joke somehow make it not propaganda? It is just really well done propaganda. Frankly, I don't see how someone who believes in public schools would think that was funny. So, back to propaganda. So well done, in fact, that apparently some people can't recognize it as such.

To your question to Foxton about whether people are allowed to make jokes (or some dumb thing like that), yes of course anyone can do anything they think is funny. Now, why is it that because you find humor in something, you believe that I am not allowed to find that thing obnoxious and repellent?

Well, I'm sorry I posted it then. I really had no idea people would find it so offensive. I thought it was kind of clever how they tried to tie the Iraq War and Rick Santorum and whatnot to Horace Mann of all people ("the father of American public education"). But again, if that offends people, I'm sorry. I'll shut up now.
 
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My favorite one is these bills going around (one in Arizona as we write) which would allow employers to deny coverage for birth control if they feel like it. I really, really have to wonder if anybody in the GOP has stopped to think about who their target audience is for this nonsense. You're now PO'ing the very married suburban mom who the party always tries to appeal to to please right wing nutjobs who are going to vote for you anyway. Makes sense to me. :confused::rolleyes:

This?
 
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Well, I'm sorry I posted it then. I really had no idea people would find it so offensive. I thought it was kind of clever how they tried to tie the Iraq War and Rick Santorum and whatnot to Horace Mann of all people ("the father of American public education"). But again, if that offends people, I'm sorry. I'll shut up now.
I don't remember anyone saying that they were offended. People just gave an opinion. If you feel that you can't stand having people disagree with you...
 
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Nobody wants to shut them down. Just get them off the government dole, of course.

So, I am curious about what you would expect would happen if this were to come to pass? PP give excellent care mostly to those who are underserved. Given that about 99% of what PP does is prevention (or even leaving that out), most of their clientele are unlikely to be able to access GYN health care elsewhere d/t financial constraints, availability of providers or local facilities.

What is supposed to fill in the gap if they are no longer supported? Even if the actual exam was free it costs on average 70-100$ for a pap test, 65$ for a gonorrhea and Chlamydia screen (considered standard of care for all under 25, irregardless of their sexual activity). Too lazy to look for stats but anecdotally I am aware of many women who go there (or other similar clinics with gov't funding) because they literally have no where else they can afford or get transport to. This is not just single women but married women or unpartnered women. If we were to stop access to health care then we would be stopping access to GYN screening and GYN care in a population that is historically more at risk to have abnormalities.

If you deny access it is likely the pregnancy rate increases in those women. In our little microcosm when Romney was governor he cut funding for School Based Clinics and the teen preg rate skyrocketed (we had no PP, this was the only variable that changed). Who do you think paid for the OB care (Masshealth), the delivery in the hospital (Masshealth), to be fed (WIC), get their immunizations (Masshealth), the High School Daycare center (school budget), the tutoring depending on how much school was missed(school budget). Then we have Headstart (they have cut funding levels but did make a huge difference when it was up and running) to help them because the parents were high schoolers and not all of them 'got ' parenting, I know I am forgetting more of what is accessed for support but it adds up. The taxpayers took the hit. It was not small.

If the objection is moral- is it right for them to have sex? no. Will they do it? yes, some of them will. Some people are risk takers and some are just excellent at denial of risk. Should they be taught by their parents not to have sex or to use birth control if they do? yes. Are they always? no. Although we can make assumptions of what should happen it doesn't happen that way. I have my opinion of what is right but I am pragmatic that it won't always happen. Some parents aren't going to even attempt to take responsibility and don't care. If we assume that procreation is good and the children are born what responsibility as a society do we have to provide for these kids? Morally the parents should take care of it but the socisty as a whols suffers if they don't and we have no mechanism to help them or ourselves that is sufficient.

My favorite one is these bills going around (one in Arizona as we write) which would allow employers to deny coverage for birth control if they feel like it. I really, really have to wonder if anybody in the GOP has stopped to think about who their target audience is for this nonsense. You're now PO'ing the very married suburban mom who the party always tries to appeal to to please right wing nutjobs who are going to vote for you anyway. Makes sense to me. :confused::rolleyes:
Does it include the provision that they must not lay off, demote or marginalize the woman who gets pregnant? Does it provide for daycare? Just wondering. The businesses really struggle with what to do with these women who are in and out of the workplace.
 
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Should they be taught by their parents not to have sex or to use birth control if they do? yes. Are they always? no.
Birth control? What world are you living in where women have access to birth control? Not GOP-land...the only birth control women will have is to hold an Aspirin firmly between the knees.
 
Nobody wants to shut them down. Just get them off the government dole, of course.

they shouldn't be shut down. anyone who can offer a service people want at a good price should be allowed to prosper. the less i have to pay for an abortion, the better. throwing good money after bad!
;)
 
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they shouldn't be shut down. anyone who can offer a service people want at a good price should be allowed to prosper. the less i have to pay for an abortion, the better. throwing good money after bad!
;)

Sheesh, I'd think fiscal conservatives would be all over funding abortion. You want to talk about good money after bad -- think about the cost of a lifetime of welfare, not to mention the cost of incarceration in the likely event that it's necessary.

Invest wisely, conservatives.

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Sheesh, I'd think fiscal conservatives would be all over funding abortion. You want to talk about good money after bad -- think about the cost of a lifetime of welfare, not to mention the cost of incarceration in the likely event that it's necessary.

Invest wisely, conservatives.

-$.02

i always found it ironic that some people cared so much about babies... until they were born! :D
 
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To think that some people still believe that NYC's drop in violent crime in the 90s was the result of some mayor's task force . . .

Giuliani knew he was just the lucky schmuck who was in office 21 years after Roe v Wade. Rudy wasn't pro-choice because he respected women, or some pansy nonsense like that. The man knew how to get results.






ok, I may be reaching my own limit here. It's been fun, but I don't have what it takes to run for PoTY (:
 
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I watched Freakonomics too. Sure there appears to be a direct correlation between abortion and crime rates.

But if the price of lower crime is eliminating the "crime class", is a society that permits such a thing practicing eugenics??

Lets be blunt because dear old Margaret Sanger sure was -- lets kill off the lower class because they are a drain on society's resources. Once you start down that slope why not kill the "defective" either before they are born or after?

That price of a "more better" society is not one I wish to pay.
 
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I watched Freakonomics too. Sure there appears to be a direct correlation between abortion and crime rates.

But if the price of lower crime is eliminating the "crime class", is a society that permits such a thing practicing eugenics??

Lets be blunt because dear old Margaret Sanger sure was -- lets kill off the lower class because they are a drain on society's resources. Once you start down that slope why not kill the "defective" either before they are born or after?

That price of a "more better" society is not one I wish to pay.
How about we just give them a chance to get above water by not having kids if they don't want to.
 
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I watched Freakonomics too. Sure there appears to be a direct correlation between abortion and crime rates.

But if the price of lower crime is eliminating the "crime class", is a society that permits such a thing practicing eugenics??

Lets be blunt because dear old Margaret Sanger sure was -- lets kill off the lower class because they are a drain on society's resources. Once you start down that slope why not kill the "defective" either before they are born or after?

That price of a "more better" society is not one I wish to pay.

it's 'choice'! 'choice'! that's all it is.

geeeesh :D
 
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