Re: 2012 Elections in 3-D!
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Re: 2012 Elections in 3-D!
More than that. You'd have to be baby boomer born in the early part of that generation, as someone born in 1964 wouldn't remember him. Furthermore, you'd have to still live in Michigan and be somebody who fondly recalls the Romney governorship (which may have changed from your view 50 years ago). Lastly, you'd also have to apply your warm feelings for the father to the son. I'm guessing there's not a heckuva lot of these people still around.
More than that. You'd have to be baby boomer born in the early part of that generation, as someone born in 1964 wouldn't remember him. Furthermore, you'd have to still live in Michigan and be somebody who fondly recalls the Romney governorship (which may have changed from your view 50 years ago). Lastly, you'd also have to apply your warm feelings for the father to the son. I'm guessing there's not a heckuva lot of these people still around.
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Agreed, but look at the competition. What's more amazing is that he's doing it on a shoestring budget.
That's the worrysome part about Romney that pundits don't get. If he was having trouble running against Jeb Bush and Chris Christie for the nomination, I'd cut him some slack. He's running against Newt "Two time loser" Gingrich and Rick Sanitarium and still can't put them away.
Agreed, but look at the competition. What's more amazing is that he's doing it on a shoestring budget.
That's the worrysome part about Romney that pundits don't get. If he was having trouble running against Jeb Bush and Chris Christie for the nomination, I'd cut him some slack. He's running against Newt "Two time loser" Gingrich and Rick Sanitarium and still can't put them away.
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As those who live here might have expected, Romney is getting a boost in Michigan (among Republican primary voters) for opposing the auto bailouts.
As those who live here might have expected, Romney is getting a boost in Michigan (among Republican primary voters) for opposing the auto bailouts.
ScoobyDoo
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Care to explain why? Michigan would be much worse off right now without the bailout. I don't get it.
Care to explain why? Michigan would be much worse off right now without the bailout. I don't get it.
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also in that story: "a mere 29% consider Romney a Michigander".
As mentioned in the story, the auto bailouts are thought of as a free gift of taxpayer money from Barry Owebama to the labor union thugs, at the expense of honest, hardworking Ford employees and their hungry children who stand on their own two feet and work for a living. basically.
also in that story: "a mere 29% consider Romney a Michigander".
ScoobyDoo
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Wow. Free gift to the labor unions and they have the highest profits ever? Seems totally counter intuitive to me. Doesn't Ford have union labor as well??
Wow. Free gift to the labor unions and they have the highest profits ever? Seems totally counter intuitive to me. Doesn't Ford have union labor as well??
Twitch Boy
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Me either. I'm guessing process of elimination. Santorum's spiel might be starting to wear thin. However, he should carry the western Lower (evangelical country.)
No way in hell R-money takes MI in the general, though.
Me either. I'm guessing process of elimination. Santorum's spiel might be starting to wear thin. However, he should carry the western Lower (evangelical country.)
No way in hell R-money takes MI in the general, though.
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People see GM pulling in record profits and assume the taxpayers are providing them at the government's command. Like the whole extra Volt subsidy fiasco. It creates a lot of mistrust. To make matters worse, there's a rumor that Ford was ordered by an Obama-appointed judge to stop claiming not to have accepted bailouts in their advertising. Although I don't know about that.
Yeah, Ford here representing 'all companies that didn't take bailout money'. there's a significant portion that will never forgive GM for selling out to The Man.Wow. Free gift to the labor unions and they have the highest profits ever? Seems totally counter intuitive to me. Doesn't Ford have union labor as well??
People see GM pulling in record profits and assume the taxpayers are providing them at the government's command. Like the whole extra Volt subsidy fiasco. It creates a lot of mistrust. To make matters worse, there's a rumor that Ford was ordered by an Obama-appointed judge to stop claiming not to have accepted bailouts in their advertising. Although I don't know about that.
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Saw something interesting today where Mittens is burning up his cash 3 times faster than he's collecting it. Given that he has very few small donors, the worry is that his fat cats might get maxed out long before the general election if the primary keeps going.
I'll also reiterate, Romney has had the ad wars pretty much to himself as Obama really isn't up and running yet and his primary opponents are broke. What's that concept of "diminishing returns" again?
Saw something interesting today where Mittens is burning up his cash 3 times faster than he's collecting it. Given that he has very few small donors, the worry is that his fat cats might get maxed out long before the general election if the primary keeps going.
I'll also reiterate, Romney has had the ad wars pretty much to himself as Obama really isn't up and running yet and his primary opponents are broke. What's that concept of "diminishing returns" again?
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No judge ever issued such an order, Obama-appointed or otherwise.
The White House said they had nothing to do with it.
Ford has since stated that the ad was pulled as part of its normal rotation and is available on Youtube.
It took me less than five minutes using a Google search to learn all this and post it. Maybe, before you post GOP talking points in the future, you can do a little research to judge the validity of those statements.
No judge ever issued such an order, Obama-appointed or otherwise.
The White House said they had nothing to do with it.
Ford has since stated that the ad was pulled as part of its normal rotation and is available on Youtube.
It took me less than five minutes using a Google search to learn all this and post it. Maybe, before you post GOP talking points in the future, you can do a little research to judge the validity of those statements.
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This is not directed at geezer, but some right wing doofus most likely started this rumor thinking it was 2004 all over again and the Dem campaign would wait for the MSM to sort out what is true and what isn't, all the while the story festered for weeks.
This is not directed at geezer, but some right wing doofus most likely started this rumor thinking it was 2004 all over again and the Dem campaign would wait for the MSM to sort out what is true and what isn't, all the while the story festered for weeks.
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I'm just saying, that's the spirit in which GM and the bailouts are perceived in outstate Michigan. The truth of it as posted here is irrelevant.
I'm just saying, that's the spirit in which GM and the bailouts are perceived in outstate Michigan. The truth of it as posted here is irrelevant.
leswp1
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Haven't been listening as much as I usually do but when I was listening to NPR they made a point of saying that altho many thought of Michgan as Romney's home state he didn't seem to really have one- he has been everywhere after MI- and gave a rundown of where he had lived, how long, etc. The local NPR also had a series of stuff on Romney when he was here that was fairly even handed. I don't care where he came from or where he goes to as long as it isn't Penn Ave. His whole policy while here was nix the budget/ various programs now and have no plan when it all falls apart later- run away and try to be President. The dude f 'd up Mass and we are picking up the pieces still.
Add- on the news now... The bit about the 'insider' Santorum kills me. Romney is only not one of those because he never won to get there. He is certainly a lifer as far as politics goes. Either he is running or getting ready to. When was the last time he wasn't doing either?
Haven't been listening as much as I usually do but when I was listening to NPR they made a point of saying that altho many thought of Michgan as Romney's home state he didn't seem to really have one- he has been everywhere after MI- and gave a rundown of where he had lived, how long, etc. The local NPR also had a series of stuff on Romney when he was here that was fairly even handed. I don't care where he came from or where he goes to as long as it isn't Penn Ave. His whole policy while here was nix the budget/ various programs now and have no plan when it all falls apart later- run away and try to be President. The dude f 'd up Mass and we are picking up the pieces still.
Add- on the news now... The bit about the 'insider' Santorum kills me. Romney is only not one of those because he never won to get there.
He is certainly a lifer as far as politics goes. Either he is running or getting ready to. When was the last time he wasn't doing either?
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leswp1
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FYP no one cares about the truth unless it is as they know it.
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Twitch Boy
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Frothy improves to within the margin of error against R-money in Arizona.
Frothy improves to within the margin of error against R-money in Arizona.
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There was nothing as blatant as a court order.
Supposedly, the White House back-channeled displeasure over the ad. Ford denies that they pulled it due to pressure. Who knows.
The gist of it was that Mulally was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the bailout. Running an anti-bailout ad campaign was a dicey strategy anyway, with Mulally's testimony a matter of public record. My guess is Ford realized that there was no sense escalating that war. Especially since the media was doing a good job on their behalf, anyway (pointing out that Ford didn't receive a bailout).
There was nothing as blatant as a court order.
Supposedly, the White House back-channeled displeasure over the ad. Ford denies that they pulled it due to pressure. Who knows.
The gist of it was that Mulally was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the bailout. Running an anti-bailout ad campaign was a dicey strategy anyway, with Mulally's testimony a matter of public record. My guess is Ford realized that there was no sense escalating that war. Especially since the media was doing a good job on their behalf, anyway (pointing out that Ford didn't receive a bailout).
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