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2012 D-3 commitments

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when the state schools give this kind of money it s done separately with each campus and state money only not any federal money. it was a waiver of costs due functioning a lot like a scholarship but not named as one
 
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gojackets said:
Its not really a scholarship...if it is anything like the Tuiton Waivers they had at UWS...it most likely waives the out of state tuiton cost for the Canadian Students...giving them the same tuition as the students from that state. I don't know if that is accurate, but if it is anything else, it would probably be illegal via NCAA rules as giving preferential treatment to Athletes.

Edit: A quick perusal of the website shows that out of state tuition is 14,500ish, while in state is 5,400ish...the scholarship was for 12,000 i'm assuming the other 3000ish would be to assist in the housing cost(8,000ish). And its not just for Canadian students...but for all international students. Universitys have to lure in international students, most students choose these schools because of these tuition waivers.

Looking at the "total fixed cost" for undergraduate residents at Oswego..I don't know how kids afford it these days. The one year TFC was almost 20,000. My student loans for UWS were 25,000 for 4.5 years.
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Southern Maine has a similar program. Canadian students get tuition at a rate that is higher than the in-state but lower than the out of state. Look at all the Canadians that they've recruited (0?).
 
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Bingo. You get different amounts at different schools. Again, as long as they are doing it for the hockey player AND a non athlete, good for them. What I have an issue with is when a school that issues the packages to 52% athletes and 48% non-athletes get into trouble and or the the same trouble as a school that is 95%+ athletes and 5% non athletes. I do not know Oswegos numbers, as I eagerly await to see, but I do not believe it will be the 90/10 ratio. They seem to have a pretty good international program at OSU. NOW having said that, if its NOT the normal percentage game that the NCAA has been playing with Geneseo, Potsdam, Buff State, Morrisville, Neumann and now possible Oswego then yes I will have an issue. Meaning if they DID not give the aid to non foreign athletes and only to the athletes, then yes thats cheating. But I highly doubt the staff at Oswego would let that happen.

Big question on how the mens team will do. When Plattsburgh volluntarily gave up their FA packages back in the mid 2000's, the results showed. Your talent pool shrinks. You go from getting a lot of A and A+ recruits to really having to put together a team of good B to B+ athletes and making the best out of them. This will put A LOT of pressure on Gosek. Personally I don't think he will handle it. Emery has for years taken average players and made them into a top team, Gosek has had a top team and has failure after failure come crunch time. Luckily for Oswego they are NOT like the other teams that have been hit. The Lakers have one of the best arenas in the nation, their fan base is one of the best in DIII and rivals some DI schools, their media (WTOP, WNYO) is hands down the best student run broadcast that I have ever seen in any league, decent coach, nice school yadda yadda but if Joe the SuperStar can't afford to come now, Gosek will have to turn his recruiting efforts (just as Emery did) to a different type of hockey player. Maybe it will do the Lakers good come crunch time? Who knows.
 
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gojackets said:
Its not really a scholarship...if it is anything like the Tuiton Waivers they had at UWS...it most likely waives the out of state tuiton cost for the Canadian Students...giving them the same tuition as the students from that state. I don't know if that is accurate, but if it is anything else, it would probably be illegal via NCAA rules as giving preferential treatment to Athletes.
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Just to bring you up to date on what we "believe" is happening. Its not about giving preferential treatment to Athletes, its about a %% game. Even if the school gives 100% of their foriegn students (athletes and non) the ratio has to be equal or more in favore of non athletes. Hockey and Canadians are so unique because its really the only main US sport thats dominated by foriegn players. If a baseball team was to load up on Cuban and Mexican standouts, give them all these packages but have no other foriegn students at their school they would be in the same boat. Neumann had a 98% athletes to 2% non athletes when they were busted. However a team that has 1% more athletes over the required ratio is guilty. I don't remember if its a 50/50 or if they give some slack I don't remember the exacts.
 
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futurestar said:
Southern Maine has a similar program. Canadian students get tuition at a rate that is higher than the in-state but lower than the out of state. Look at all the Canadians that they've recruited (0?).
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Superior had the program available to all international students. Superior had a huge portion of students from Sri Lanka...go from tropical climate to frozen hell...that used the grant, so they were no where near even 50% to athletes. I thought the problem came in when they changed it so that it still covered 100% out of state tuition for US citizens and Canadians, but only covered 75% of the tuition for people overseas. We didn't get many non-athletes from Canada or other states. But they never seemed to have gotten in trouble.
 
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Castleton had a busload visit last fall from a Canadian travel team. Right now they have only 1 or 2 players from Canada.
 
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FPRaven Fan said:
Castleton had a busload visit last fall from a Canadian travel team. Right now they have only 1 or 2 players from Canada.
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That will change with Bill Bowes at the helm...He will turn the Castleton women's hockey program into a legitimate team. Watch for the Spartans next year and the year after.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
That will change with Bill Bowes at the helm...He will turn the Castleton women's hockey program into a legitimate team. Watch for the Spartans next year and the year after.
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It was Bowes who invited the bus load of Candian girls players and toured campus with them in October. As for turning around program, I feel it is a stepping stone to just to get a men's team.
 
FPRaven Fan said:
It was Bowes who invited the bus load of Candian girls players and toured campus with them in October. As for turning around program, I feel it is a stepping stone to just to get a men's team.
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Yes. Bowes was their coach last year.

Castleton already has a very good men's team.
 
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Plattsburgh

Giovanna Senese................F....................(Chicago Mission)...............Huntley, Illinois
 
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Trying to get this Forum going again, I looked up two Programs.
Assabet Valley Site http://www.assabetgirls.com/ under Graduating Seniors

Kathrin Goguen..................................................Holy Cross
Bridget Noone....................................................Manhatenville

National Sports Academy http://www.nationalsportsacademy.com/2/post/2012/05/2011-12-girls-hockey-season-our-seniors.html

Piper Moles.....................................................Stevenson
Kelsey Lynch...................................................Salve Regina
 
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http://naprephockeyassociation.com/news.php?news_id=574408



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Jaclyn King - Neumann University (NCAA)
Abby Kibler - Adrian College (NCAA)
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