2012 D-3 commitments

[d3follower]

Re: 2012 D-3 commitments

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't almost all NESCAC schools early decisions though and kids have deposited for the fall well ahead of the timing of this announcement?

Sure that's not a binding commitment but when you start throwing $$$ into it you have a better idea of where kids intentions are of going or to better put it where their parents will allow them to go after fronting the money for a deposit.

In the NESCAC context, ED is a binding commitment. At the time of the application, the applicant (AND one of his/her parents) enter into a binding agreement with the institution that he or she will not apply to any other schools (in the case of the later ED2 round, will withdraw all other applications if admitted). An ED commitment is breakable only of the school decides to release the applicant from his/her commitment, which tends to happen only in rare cases such as financial hardship, etc.

 

[hockeymaven]

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Only about a 1/3 of admissions at NESCAC's are ED but they are used to a larger degree for recruited athletes because if the coach supports the kid with admissions he or she knows the student is committed to that school. As importantly if you were to break an ED commitment to one NESCAC school the chances of getting into another NESCAC school are extremely unlikely-- it is definitely a mark against you. The Ivies work much the same way.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Only about a 1/3 of admissions at NESCAC's are ED but they are used to a larger degree for recruited athletes because if the coach supports the kid with admissions he or she knows the student is committed to that school. As importantly if you were to break an ED commitment to one NESCAC school the chances of getting into another NESCAC school are extremely unlikely-- it is definitely a mark against you. The Ivies work much the same way.

Last 2 posts are spot on. Most women's ice hockey players (like most students generally) are not admissible at NESCAC and Ivy schools (the minimum academic index at the Ivies places you well into the top 25% of students in the country and Ivies only take a few minimums across all sports every year so most athletes there are in the top 10% of students nationally - NESCACs are similar). As a result, coaches (and players) use ED to show the highly competitive schools that the athelete is highly committed to that school and that the combination of athletic skill and commitment should warrant taking a below average (for the school) student. Despite ED being only ~10-20% of total applications at these schools, they fill 1/3 (or more) of their class from ED. Coaches at these schools know that if a player applies regular decision their chance of getting in is markedly lower - they only use it in situations where they failed to get enough players in ED OR they have a recruit that is extremely academically qualified. Brown and Princeton faced this situation this year and had to roll the dice in regular admissions due to ED failures. Know of numerous situations where girls decided to not commit to any school via ED because they weren't decided, applied to multiple schools in regular admission thinking they would get in, and got in nowhere because their academics weren't good enough and the coaches had limited influence by then. Several (very good hockey players) ended up at schools that don't even have hockey teams or doing a PG year.

As a result of the above, the NESCAC and Ivies take the ED commitment very seriously. The chance of breaking one and then signing up at another NESCAC/Ivy is virtually zero - unless it is financial aid driven and by the time that is resolved and the committed school releases you you'll miss the application deadline at the other schools. The theory is that you are picking the school, not the coach (which girls should be doing really). The coaches at most of these schools will tell you that you should make sure you will be happy there because they could be gone over the 5-6 years between when you commit and graduate.

 

[spike]

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Last 2 posts are spot on. Most women's ice hockey players (like most students generally) are not admissible at NESCAC and Ivy schools (the minimum academic index at the Ivies places you well into the top 25% of students in the country and Ivies only take a few minimums across all sports every year so most athletes there are in the top 10% of students nationally - NESCACs are similar). As a result, coaches (and players) use ED to show the highly competitive schools that the athelete is highly committed to that school and that the combination of athletic skill and commitment should warrant taking a below average (for the school) student. Despite ED being only ~10-20% of total applications at these schools, they fill 1/3 (or more) of their class from ED. Coaches at these schools know that if a player applies regular decision their chance of getting in is markedly lower - they only use it in situations where they failed to get enough players in ED OR they have a recruit that is extremely academically qualified. Brown and Princeton faced this situation this year and had to roll the dice in regular admissions due to ED failures. Know of numerous situations where girls decided to not commit to any school via ED because they weren't decided, applied to multiple schools in regular admission thinking they would get in, and got in nowhere because their academics weren't good enough and the coaches had limited influence by then. Several (very good hockey players) ended up at schools that don't even have hockey teams or doing a PG year.

As a result of the above, the NESCAC and Ivies take the ED commitment very seriously. The chance of breaking one and then signing up at another NESCAC/Ivy is virtually zero - unless it is financial aid driven and by the time that is resolved and the committed school releases you you'll miss the application deadline at the other schools. The theory is that you are picking the school, not the coach (which girls should be doing really). The coaches at most of these schools will tell you that you should make sure you will be happy there because they could be gone over the 5-6 years between when you commit and graduate.

Nice post, but I have a couple of observations that might impact this, at least in generalities. First, the coaches love ED because it allows them to know if they have a girl quickly. The recruited player loves ED because coaches might say "I can't hold your spot forever", so the girl will want the decision quickly as well. On the flip side, and at the big and little Ivies this is a BIG flip side, applying ED basically kills the student's leverage with the financial aid office. If, for example, a girl has been accepted regular decision at Harvard and Yale, the one thing that both of those schools really hate is not losing the applicant, but losing the applicant to the other Ivy school. In this example the applicant will get the best possible aid package only by leveraging one school against the other. If she had applied to one or the other ED, the aid offer will be significantly lower (all other things being equal.) For this reason, I think many recruits looking to get into Ivy schools stick with regular decision if financial aid is an important component of their decision.

Either way, its a tough road to navigate between school choice and team choice.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Nice post, but I have a couple of observations that might impact this, at least in generalities. First, the coaches love ED because it allows them to know if they have a girl quickly. The recruited player loves ED because coaches might say "I can't hold your spot forever", so the girl will want the decision quickly as well. On the flip side, and at the big and little Ivies this is a BIG flip side, applying ED basically kills the student's leverage with the financial aid office. If, for example, a girl has been accepted regular decision at Harvard and Yale, the one thing that both of those schools really hate is not losing the applicant, but losing the applicant to the other Ivy school. In this example the applicant will get the best possible aid package only by leveraging one school against the other. If she had applied to one or the other ED, the aid offer will be significantly lower (all other things being equal.) For this reason, I think many recruits looking to get into Ivy schools stick with regular decision if financial aid is an important component of their decision.

Either way, its a tough road to navigate between school choice and team choice.

Great point and absolutely correct - you totally lose the leverage of competing financial aid offers in ED. Had a kid a couple of years ago (non-athlete) that got into two top 10 schools and was able to reduce the cost of the schooling to us by $5000 below the initial low offer of teh two just by showing each school the other's offer (in sequence of course...) - they kept meeting each other's offer until they were equal and she could make the choice based on other merits of the schools.

In ED you give this up. In return, you get a much higher likelihood of admission. That being said, financial aid offers at the Ivies and NESCAC schools tend to be relatively generous up front (obviously varies school to school). Given that, kids who aren't REALLY strong academically and have some financial capability to pay are generally probably better off going ED at one of these schools if they have enough of an idea of where they want to go rather than taking the rather significant chance of not getting in anywhere through regular decision. But every situation is unique and definitely a tough decision to make.

 

[hkymom12]

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Know from experience that some schools have the ability to give you a "financial read" up front as far as financial aid is concerned - Ivy's in particular. That way you have an idea whether or not you qualify and for roughly how much which may or may not help in deciding whether or not ED is a good option or not.

 

[1968Leafswincup]

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Any commitments for Oswego, Neumann, Plattsburgh

 

[BBear21]

NESCAC Recruits from Prep schools:

Williams: F- Michaela Levine- Lawrenceville

Bowdoin: F- Ariana Bourque- Holderness

Hamilton: F- Hannah Bartlett- St.Mark's, F- Ianthe Lekometros- Hotchkiss

Trinity: F- Cheeky Herr- Choate

 

[hockey 98]

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Commitments to Neumann :

Shanelle Doucette - Oakville Hornets PWHL

Commitments to Plattsburgh :

Andrea Ziesmann - oakville Hornets PWHL
Caitlyn Gilligan - Oakville Hornets PWHL

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Know from experience that some schools have the ability to give you a "financial read" up front as far as financial aid is concerned - Ivy's in particular. That way you have an idea whether or not you qualify and for roughly how much which may or may not help in deciding whether or not ED is a good option or not.

New requirement this past year and going forward for ALL schools participating in Federal Loan programs (that is pretty much all colleges) is to have an online financial aid estimator available to prospective students. You can usually find them on the school's website under Admissions or Financial Aid. The Ivy and NESCAC schools generally have very good estimators and we found the results to be VERY close to the actual financial aid offers. Since these schools are all need based financial aid (no athletic or merit scholarships), the only way to generate higher financial aid awards is to generate more need. The need calculation is pretty standard, so unless you have a special circumstance (undeclared dependents (parents perhaps), unusually high medical biils, unusual financial obligations, etc.) that don't appear on your tax return somehow, they will generally be pretty close. At least it is a starting point for thinking through the potential costs of these schools. The poster is correct that once you get to the point where you are a serious recruit at one of these schools they will conduct a more thorough financial aid estimate specifically for you (generally in the late Spring or early Summer between Junior and Senior year).

 

[LaRondelle]

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oswego was all set to have a great year next year but people were told this week that they have eliminated the international scholarships for the canadians so who knows where they will be now. this affects the recruits and the returning players

 

[OneTimer]

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wow - if this is true it makes you wonder what will happen to plattsburgh as well. the best parts of the oswego and plattsburgh teams are the canadians

 

[canadahockey26]

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Oswego eliminated their's not Plattsburgh.

 

[Call It]

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Only in America can Canadiens receive scholarships to State Colleges that students from the same state can't receive.

 

[forecheck44]

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Add to Norwich - Jenna MacDonald.................F................Ottawa Jr Senators

 

[gojackets]

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Only in America can Canadiens receive scholarships to State Colleges that students from the same state can't receive.

Its not really a scholarship...if it is anything like the Tuiton Waivers they had at UWS...it most likely waives the out of state tuiton cost for the Canadian Students...giving them the same tuition as the students from that state. I don't know if that is accurate, but if it is anything else, it would probably be illegal via NCAA rules as giving preferential treatment to Athletes.

Edit: A quick perusal of the website shows that out of state tuition is 14,500ish, while in state is 5,400ish...the scholarship was for 12,000 i'm assuming the other 3000ish would be to assist in the housing cost(8,000ish). And its not just for Canadian students...but for all international students. Universitys have to lure in international students, most students choose these schools because of these tuition waivers.

Looking at the "total fixed cost" for undergraduate residents at Oswego..I don't know how kids afford it these days. The one year TFC was almost 20,000. My student loans for UWS were 25,000 for 4.5 years.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Norwich University

Taylor Cross .................. D ................Rivers/Assabet Valley ................... Saugus, MA

 

[GameWorn14]

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List is not official!
Adrian
Devyn Fitzhenry.......................F................. (Honeybaked u19)........................Michigan
Audrey Noles...........................F................. (Honeybaked u19)........................Michigan
Alexandra Godre.......................F..................Belle Tire
Katie Barnes................................................Belle Tire

AMHERST COLLEGE
Caroline Bomstein.....................D..................Washington Pride
Eileen Harris............................F..................(Chicago Mission).........................Illinois
Erin Martin..............................F..................Milton Academy/MA Spitfires..........Massachusetts
Kasia Henley...........................G..................Burlington Barracudas

Augsburg
Claire Cripps............................F.................(Hutchinson)...............................Minne sota
Kayle Fuechtmann....................F.................Centennial HS.............................Minnesota
Brittany Palmer…......................F.................Blaine HS……….............................Minnesota

BETHEL UNIVERSITY
Caroline Kivisto.........................F.................Minnesota Thoroughbreds
Erika Allen..................................................Roseville Area
Hayley Hill ..............................F…...............White Bear Lake HS ………..............Minnesota
Jill Larson................................F.................Maple Grove HS………....................Minnesota

Bowdoin
Tara Celata.............................D.................Dedham HS
Ariana Bourque ………………………...F…………….......Holderness ………………………………..

Buffalo State
Jackie Madison.........................F................( Ohio Flames).............................Mentor, OH

Castleton State College
Samantha Pion.........................D

COLBY COLLEGE
Katherine Mackey.................... D.................Washington Pride
Katie Tang..............................F...........…….. BB&N/Wizards.............................Massachusetts
Elisa Rascia.............................F.............. ...(CYA)........................................Illinois
Megan Fortier..........................F................ .Falmouth/Portland Jr. Piartes..........Falmouth, Maine
Breanna Davis..........................F.................. .....

Concordia -Minnesota
Karissa Olson……………………………...F…………........Eden Prairie HS……………………….......Minnesota

Concordia-Wisconsin
lexis Machuga...........................F............... .Belle Tire
Katherine Pauletti………….............F…….....……..Roseville High School
Jenna Brown……………..................F……….……....Roseville High School
Olivia Vogel……………...........……....F ……………....Andover High School
Chelsea Reagan……........………......D …............Tartan High School
Michelle Musil…………..........….......F……………....North Metro
Megan Williams………….................F…..…….......Chaska/Chanhassen

ELMIRA COLLEGE
Brittney Redlick.........................F................W arner Hockey School ………………...Biggar, SK
Heather Berzins.........................F................W arner Hockey School

FRANKLIN PIERCE UNIVERSITY
Haylea Barbier........................ F/D...............Boston Shamrocks
Micelle Stock.............................D............... (Alliance Bulldogs 19U).................Texas
Sam Mead ................................D ..............(Boston Shamrocks) ...................Hazen, ND
Hayley Arnold............................D............... Spaulding HS/VT Shamrocks
Casey Schaejbe.........................G...............A rlington HS
Bryana Harron...........................F................ Woburn HS
Colleen Doucette.......................F................Wa kefield HS
Karsyn Baker.............................F............... .Belle Tire
Andrea Campos.........................F.................B elle Tire
Bridgit Connors ……………………….....D…………….....Castleton)
Sarah Sheils...........................(D/F).........Pittsburgh Penguins-Elite...........Cranberry Twp., PA

GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS
Lindsey Hibbard ………………………....G…………….....MN Thoroughbreds……………………...Minnesota
Tara Hoverstad……………………….....G…………….....Blaine HS……………………………………..Minnesota

HAMILTON COLLEGE
Megan Fitzgerald...................... F................Washington Pride
Katherine White....................... G................Middlesex/Charles River.................Falmouth, MA
Hannah Bartlett ………………………....F…………….....St.Mark's …………………………………….
Ianthe Lekometros ……………………..F....…………….Hotchkiss …………………………………….


HAMLINE UNIVERSITY
Mary Shefvelin..........................G................MN Thoroughbreds......................Maple Grove, MN
Emily Fromm.............................D................Milwaukee Jr. Admirals.................WI
Alex Will..................................D/F..............Hudson High School
Jenny Magill……………………….……....D………………...Hill Murray HS……………………………....Minnesota
Holy Cross
Kati Goguen.............................F................Acton Boxboro HS/Assabet

LAKE FOREST COLLEGE
Marina Aless............................F................ Washington Pride
Katie Riley...............................F............. ...(CYA)........................................Il linois
Taylor Logan...........................F................ (Honeybaked U19).......................Michigan
Natalie Pattison.......................D.................( Honeybaked u19).......................Michigan

MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE
Marisa Dreher...........................G................ Washington Pride
Katie Kim.................................D............. ….(Chicago Mission)........................Illinois
Carly Schaeder.........................F................ (Breck School)............................Minnesota
Julia Wardwell...........................F................Deerfield/Wizards........................Westboro (?), MA

Neumann
Shanelle Doucette ……………………….....………………Oakville Hornets PWHL ………………

NORWICH UNIVERISTY
Maggie Cross............................D...............National Sports Academy
Ali Greene................................F........... ...North American Hockey Academy
Jenna MacDonald…………………...……F…………….Ottawa Jr Senators ………………………..
Taylor Cross………………................D...........Rivers/Assabet Valley ….................... Saugus, MA


Plattsburgh State
Sara Lanni..................................D............Durham Lightning
Andrea Ziesmann ………………………...........………Oakville Hornets PWHL ………………
Caitlyn Gilligan ……………………….......…………......Oakville Hornets PWHL ……………………


Plymouth State
Jenny Wisniewski......................G............…...P ittsburgh Penguins-Elite............Cleveland, OH

 

[GameWorn14]

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Salve Regina
Danielle Phalon........................F......……….....Stone ham HS/Wizards........……......Stoneham, MA

St. Anselm
Alez Kazmer............................F.................(CYA)........................................Ill inois
Kelsey Patten.........................D.................( CYA)........................................Illino is

St. Benedict
Samantha Scobee........................................Mound Westonka
Kaitlyn Armstrong……………………....F……………......Centennail HS………………………….....Minnesota

St. Catherine University
Zoe Verkerke...........................F.................Milwaukee Jr. Admirals................WI
Annie Buttermore ………………….....F………...........Mahtomedi HS …………………….......Minnesota
Katie McCann …………………………...D ………..........Cambridge HS ……………………….....Minnesota
Michele McDonald………………….....D………….........International Falls HS ………………..Minnesota
Laurel Prodahl ……………………..…...F…………….......Buffalo HS ………………..……………...Minnesota
Maureen Ryan …………………….......D.……………......Cretin Derham Hall HS………………..Minnesota
Alex White …………………………..…...D.……………......Forest Lake HS ………………………….Minnesota
Randi Fabsits............................D................(Chicago Mission).........................Illinois
Emily Chandler...........................F................(Ohio Flames).............................Carmel, IN

St. Mary's University
Hope Karban............................F..................Milwaukee Jr. Admirals..............Oconto, WI
Rory Petrisin............................F..................(New Jersey Rockets)...............High Bridge, NJ
Tori Hermann................................................Elk River/Zimmerman.................
Macki Fadness.........................F..................Centennail HS

ST. NORBERT COLLEGE
Bridget Clements.......................D................Washington Pride

St. Scholastica
Nikki Logergren........................F................ .Duluth East HS…………………………….Minnesota
Gina Dodge ……………………………………………….......Minnesota Duluth ……………………..

St. Olaf
Kelly McGarvey .......................F..................Edina HS …………………………………….Minnesota

St. Thomas
Tori Bailey ………………………………...F………….....…Lakeville South HS ………….………….Minnesota
Nuala Flood……………………………....D.…………......Cretin Derham Hall HS…….........….Minnesota
Kalie Grochowski……………………....D.…………......Westonka HS …………….....……......Minnesota
Courtney Umland …………………..…D...…………....Maple Grove HS……………....…........Minnesota

STEVENSON UNIVERSITY
McKenzie Taggart......................F................Colorado Select
Sydney Hughes ........................D................(New Jersey Rockets)...............Califon, NJ
Tori Emoff...............................F/D..............(Ohio Flames)..........................Oakwood, OH
Anastassia Nelson.....................G................(Ohio Flames)..........................San Antonio, TX
Ana-Sophia Brande....................F................(Anahei m Lady Ducks)
Mackenzie Bruch.......................G................(Boston Shamrocks)………………….Atlanta, GA.
Katelyn Abbott. .......................F................Belle Tire
Molly O'Neil..............................F.............................................................Au rora, CO
Emma Sunness.........................D.............................................................Ft. Collins, CO
Brooke Webber.........................D...............Pittsburgh Penguins Elite.............Washington, PA

SUNY-Cortland
Lauryn Gillis............................F................(Ohio Flames)..........................Vermilion, OH
Corey Temple.........................F................(Ohio Flames)..........................Troy, MI
Katherine "Katie" Gili.................F.............…(New Jersey Rockets)................Brooklyn, NY
Madison Fischl........................D................(New Jersey Rockets)...............Basking Ridge

SUNY - POTSDAM
Sarah Nelson..........................F................. Colorado Select

Superior
Caitlin Hunt ...........................D..................Thei f River Falls HS.................Minnesota

Trinity College
Shelby Labe............................D................. (New Jersey Rockets)..................Pine Brook, NJ
Shannon Farrell........................F.....Berwick/Portland Junior Pirates...................Kennebunk, Maine
Cheeky Herr ………………………....…… F…………………..Choate ……………………………………..

Utica
Morgan Reed..........................F..................Cushing/Wizards...................

UMass-Boston
Mackenzie Clark......................F………..…….....Winthrop/Lynn HS

UW River Falls
Leah Gefroh...........................F..................MN Thoroughbreds..............…....Bloomington, MN
Gillian McDonald.........................................Irondale......................................... .....

University of New England
Chaniel Nelson........................F.............................................................Bemidji, MN

University of Southern Maine
Alexandra O'Sullivan.................D..................Proctor Academy...............................

Williams College
Talia Simon..............................D.............. ...Groton/Wizards.....................Carlisle, MA
Eliza Noyes..............................F.............. ...Middlesex/Charles River.........…Concord, MA
Natalie Bernstein.......................F................( CYA)...................................Illinois
Michaela Levine………………………....F …………….......Lawrenceville ……………………………

Wisconsin - Eau Claire
Ashley Baugher..........................F...............( CYA)..................................Illinois
Taylor Bowker ...........................F...............Cambrid ge HS ......................Minnesota
Maddie Denny...........................G...............Andover HS……………………………….Minnesota
Tori Heller..................................F..............Hill Murray HS .....................Minnesota

Wisconsin-Stevens Point
Hailey Rock................................F............…..St. Croix Valley Fusion Co-Op High School

 

[CrossCheck]

Re: 2012 D-3 commitments

oswego was all set to have a great year next year but people were told this week that they have eliminated the international scholarships for the canadians so who knows where they will be now. this affects the recruits and the returning players

Truly great news if true.


About time US schools stopped getting snookered....in particular at State Colleges where US taxpayers fund the entire program.