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2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
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MountieBoyOz
Eater of Worlds
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Seguin gets a 6 year deal from Boston. I thought the owners were broke?
Seguin gets a 6 year deal from Boston. I thought the owners were broke?
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
I would imagine that the PA would be OK with a max contract length or no AAV can be more that 10 - 15% of the cap top. Though, in theory you could have Max Bialystock as the GM and give out 20 contracts @ 10% of the cap.
6 @ $5.7 AAV. That's workable. 13 years for $98 mill is not.Seguin gets a 6 year deal from Boston. I thought the owners were broke?
I would imagine that the PA would be OK with a max contract length or no AAV can be more that 10 - 15% of the cap top. Though, in theory you could have Max Bialystock as the GM and give out 20 contracts @ 10% of the cap.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Listening to half the Wings fanbase this summer, you would think Ken Holland was Bialystock (washed up and broke) without the felonious solution.
Listening to half the Wings fanbase this summer, you would think Ken Holland was Bialystock (washed up and broke) without the felonious solution.
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Don't blame me, blame DGB!
I just wish I could watch the Canada Cup games on TSN from down here.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The replay of the 1987 Canada/Russia game on TSN was so much fun that it's given me a brilliant idea that can save the NHL.</p>— Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/245705093385699328" data-datetime="2012-09-12T02:07:13+00:00">September 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>During the lockout, let's replay the entire 1993-94 season on NBC all year long *without telling Americans that it's a replay*.<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23genius">#genius</a></p>— Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/245705226848460800" data-datetime="2012-09-12T02:07:45+00:00">September 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Seriously, 1994 was awesome, 90% of the audience won't know it's taped, and they'll tune in next year to see if that Brodeur kid rebounds.</p>— Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/245705683910135809" data-datetime="2012-09-12T02:09:34+00:00">September 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Don't blame me, blame DGB!
I just wish I could watch the Canada Cup games on TSN from down here.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>The replay of the 1987 Canada/Russia game on TSN was so much fun that it's given me a brilliant idea that can save the NHL.</p>— Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/245705093385699328" data-datetime="2012-09-12T02:07:13+00:00">September 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>During the lockout, let's replay the entire 1993-94 season on NBC all year long *without telling Americans that it's a replay*.<a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23genius">#genius</a></p>— Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/245705226848460800" data-datetime="2012-09-12T02:07:45+00:00">September 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Seriously, 1994 was awesome, 90% of the audience won't know it's taped, and they'll tune in next year to see if that Brodeur kid rebounds.</p>— Down Goes Brown (@DownGoesBrown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/245705683910135809" data-datetime="2012-09-12T02:09:34+00:00">September 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Honest question:
Can the NHL be the first league to face widespread financial ruin because of a prolonged work stopage?
Every other workstopage that we've seen in major sports has caused a recession on the respective league... But that loss has been overcome in the long run... Even baseball was able to recover from 1994, although it took nearly 5 years to overcome that...
Even with the gains the NHL has made in the past few years, can they overcome the loss of a season (or even a 1/2 season)? As a fan, I can say that I'm peeved off about this... Given the inflated prices I have to pay for my team, I can say that it will be hard for me to return at that price... Although in the long run, I probably will, given my love of the game...
Other teams seem to be on much less stable ground... I just have to wonder if they will be able to weather the storm on this one... Sooner or later one of these strikes/lockouts is going to go nuclear on a league... When/where it does is yet to be seen however... How much longer can fans tolerate this?
Honest question:
Can the NHL be the first league to face widespread financial ruin because of a prolonged work stopage?
Every other workstopage that we've seen in major sports has caused a recession on the respective league... But that loss has been overcome in the long run... Even baseball was able to recover from 1994, although it took nearly 5 years to overcome that...
Even with the gains the NHL has made in the past few years, can they overcome the loss of a season (or even a 1/2 season)? As a fan, I can say that I'm peeved off about this... Given the inflated prices I have to pay for my team, I can say that it will be hard for me to return at that price... Although in the long run, I probably will, given my love of the game...
Other teams seem to be on much less stable ground... I just have to wonder if they will be able to weather the storm on this one... Sooner or later one of these strikes/lockouts is going to go nuclear on a league... When/where it does is yet to be seen however... How much longer can fans tolerate this?
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
NHL has scheduled a press conference for Thursday afternoon. Prepare for the worst.
NHL has scheduled a press conference for Thursday afternoon. Prepare for the worst.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
The press conference is supposedly scheduled to happen immediately following a Board of Governor's meeting.
The press conference is supposedly scheduled to happen immediately following a Board of Governor's meeting.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
From RDS, via Joe Yerdon's Twitter: "Gary Bettman said that his offer today ask for a reduction of 9% of players salaries. NHL asked for 24% in July."
There's still hope! Or is that just cold gambler's fallacy?
From RDS, via Joe Yerdon's Twitter: "Gary Bettman said that his offer today ask for a reduction of 9% of players salaries. NHL asked for 24% in July."
There's still hope! Or is that just cold gambler's fallacy?
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Come on, Daddy needs a new iPhone 5!
Come on, Daddy needs a new iPhone 5!
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
It be interesting to see what impact the 04-05 lockout had on attendance. I suspect that it didn't have much of an impact on the majority of the teams because the reduction in costs (at least over the short term) and the increase in league revenues. Baseball took a huge hit after the 1994 players strike and Basketball took a huge hit after the 1998-99 lockout, in both cases it was roughly a decade before attendance returned to pre-labor dispute levels.
The fact that in the last two lockouts I don't think that the owners suffered under significant drops in future revenue as a result may make them more willing to play at card again. I think that the fact that hockey fans is a smaller core group that are very ardent fans of the game is a major reason. Also, the NFL and NBA don't have the same fall/winter following in Canada that they do in the US also matters as the sports alternatives are just not as viable long term alternatives. As the NBA discovered last year, not playing games during the majority of the football season (both NFL and college) isn't a major issue, it is only after this point that fans will turn against both parties as being greedy and untrustworthy.
I'm not sure what impact only being 6 seasons removed from losing a whole season to a lockout will have on the general fan reaction, but it is influencing why the owners are generally considered the villains thus far (the owners initial proposal did not help matters, as it may have been the right negotiating move it was a disaster from a PR standpoint particularly when coupled with all of the lockout rhetoric from Bettman).
It be interesting to see what impact the 04-05 lockout had on attendance. I suspect that it didn't have much of an impact on the majority of the teams because the reduction in costs (at least over the short term) and the increase in league revenues. Baseball took a huge hit after the 1994 players strike and Basketball took a huge hit after the 1998-99 lockout, in both cases it was roughly a decade before attendance returned to pre-labor dispute levels.
The fact that in the last two lockouts I don't think that the owners suffered under significant drops in future revenue as a result may make them more willing to play at card again. I think that the fact that hockey fans is a smaller core group that are very ardent fans of the game is a major reason. Also, the NFL and NBA don't have the same fall/winter following in Canada that they do in the US also matters as the sports alternatives are just not as viable long term alternatives. As the NBA discovered last year, not playing games during the majority of the football season (both NFL and college) isn't a major issue, it is only after this point that fans will turn against both parties as being greedy and untrustworthy.
I'm not sure what impact only being 6 seasons removed from losing a whole season to a lockout will have on the general fan reaction, but it is influencing why the owners are generally considered the villains thus far (the owners initial proposal did not help matters, as it may have been the right negotiating move it was a disaster from a PR standpoint particularly when coupled with all of the lockout rhetoric from Bettman).
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
New offer from the owners today. Year one at 49% sliding down to 47% in year 6, with no redefining what HRR is in this CBA. It's about $170 million less than what the players made last season if there's a 5% increase in revenue. They also said (childishly) that they'll pull the offer on the 15th if it isn't agreed to. Fehr is looking it over.
Honestly, the players might want to consider at least making a realistic counteroffer to this one instead of coming back with crazy new economic systems like the last two times.
New offer from the owners today. Year one at 49% sliding down to 47% in year 6, with no redefining what HRR is in this CBA. It's about $170 million less than what the players made last season if there's a 5% increase in revenue. They also said (childishly) that they'll pull the offer on the 15th if it isn't agreed to. Fehr is looking it over.
Honestly, the players might want to consider at least making a realistic counteroffer to this one instead of coming back with crazy new economic systems like the last two times.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Bob McKenzie thinks the lockout is pretty much a given. The NHLPA has said that they will not accept any reduction in actual amount spent on player salaries, and today's offer from the owners still poses an immediate and significant rollback.
Bob McKenzie thinks the lockout is pretty much a given. The NHLPA has said that they will not accept any reduction in actual amount spent on player salaries, and today's offer from the owners still poses an immediate and significant rollback.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
Then they're missing most or all of the season, and it's their own fault. They're not getting a new system, and they're not getting a system where they don't lose any money. Someone with brains would be screaming "We're getting less, so let's get the best "less" we can and play already."
Wonder if there will be guys missing out on the Hall because they missed two full seasons in the primes of the careers.
Then they're missing most or all of the season, and it's their own fault. They're not getting a new system, and they're not getting a system where they don't lose any money. Someone with brains would be screaming "We're getting less, so let's get the best "less" we can and play already."
Wonder if there will be guys missing out on the Hall because they missed two full seasons in the primes of the careers.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: 2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??
I agree, the players need to come back with a 50-50 split of HRR (with no change in HRR). If they put a 50-50 split out as an offer, it would be very difficult for the owners to reject that without losing the long term PR battle.
I agree, the players need to come back with a 50-50 split of HRR (with no change in HRR). If they put a 50-50 split out as an offer, it would be very difficult for the owners to reject that without losing the long term PR battle.
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