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2012-13 NHL Thread. Fehr Thee Well??

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I keep telling myself that both sides can't be stupid enough to let this kill all the momentum that they've gained in the last few years... But then again :mad: :eek: :(
Right now the finger of shame points @ His Lockoutedness and the owners. With record income they want a rollback so they can spend less? I don't recall Mark Emmert showing up with a gun to the GM's of Minnesota, Philadelphia and Nashville and say sign this or your brains will be over the desk.
 
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^ Joecct has it right. The owners cry poverty, but give Webber, Parise and Suter these big deals. Cry me a river and play hockey. Bettman needs to be fired ASAP.

The question is, who would you want to be commish?
 
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The only way they're getting any kind of permanent labor peace is if revenue sharing has some teeth to it. Bettman doesn't have the balls to get the half dozen massively profitable teams to do so, and the league doesn't have enough centralized revenue like football or basketball to do it without digging directly into the pockets of Toronto, NY, Montreal etc., so he's trying to band-aid the problem over and over by clawing money back from the players.

Sure, you could fold a handful of teams that are really losing $$, but the problem is that the revenue gap will just lead to new teams at the bottom who can't keep up with year to year cap increases from 8 teams raking in money hand over fist.
 
^ Joecct has it right. The owners cry poverty, but give Webber, Parise and Suter these big deals. Cry me a river and play hockey. Bettman needs to be fired ASAP.

The question is, who would you want to be commish?

Since the commish is a puppet of the owners, it won't matter. Any independent thinking commissioner will get fired.

Now if the commish was paid for by both the players AND the owners and hired by both, then maybe we'd have somebody who had the good of the game at heart.
 
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Since the commish is a puppet of the owners, it won't matter. Any independent thinking commissioner will get fired.

Now if the commish was paid for by both the players AND the owners and hired by both, then maybe we'd have somebody who had the good of the game at heart.

This. The last vestiges of independent commissioners died when the MLB owners threw out Fay Vincent in the early 90's.
 
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Looks like the NHLPA (per Yahoo!) will propose a luxury tax instead of a salary cap. So this allows the big pocket owners to spend spend spend but pay for it. Which owner will be George of the North? and which NHL team becomes the KC Royals???
 
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Looks like the NHLPA (per Yahoo!) will propose a luxury tax instead of a salary cap. So this allows the big pocket owners to spend spend spend but pay for it. Which owner will be George of the North? and which NHL team becomes the KC Royals???

Not going to happen, the cap is not going to go away. The only change that I might see would be allowing the a team to go over the cap by ~5% by taking on salary in a trade after a certain point in the season.
 
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There seems to be some positivity surrounding the NHLPA's counter offer, at least from what I could tell on Twitter. Is there a chance that this doesn't go to a lockout, or is this false hope?
 
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There seems to be some positivity surrounding the NHLPA's counter offer, at least from what I could tell on Twitter. Is there a chance that this doesn't go to a lockout, or is this false hope?

Depending on how reasonable the players were in their counteroffer, how much they're willing to go in the owners' direction, and how much the owners feel about those two things, it depends. My WAG is that we're at about 50/50 on lockout likelihood.
 
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There seems to be some positivity surrounding the NHLPA's counter offer, at least from what I could tell on Twitter. Is there a chance that this doesn't go to a lockout, or is this false hope?

False hope.
 
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What the evil 4-letter network will do if there is any progress.

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Depending on how reasonable the players were in their counteroffer, how much they're willing to go in the owners' direction, and how much the owners feel about those two things, it depends. My WAG is that we're at about 50/50 on lockout likelihood.
Noodles thinks a lockout is a lead pipe cinch.
 
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Depending on how reasonable the players were in their counteroffer, how much they're willing to go in the owners' direction, and how much the owners feel about those two things, it depends. My WAG is that we're at about 50/50 on lockout likelihood.

So, it turns out the counteroffer is a waste of time. Basically, the players agree to take what they would have made this year for the next three years, so their share would drop from 57% to whatever depending on how much growth occurs. Then, in year 4, the current CBA would kick back in and they'd go back to 57%.
 
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So, it turns out the counteroffer is a waste of time. Basically, the players agree to take what they would have made this year for the next three years, so their share would drop from 57% to whatever depending on how much growth occurs. Then, in year 4, the current CBA would kick back in and they'd go back to 57%.

To be fair, the NHL's initial offer was just as much a waste of time because their was no way that the players were going to accept it.

1.) Entry level contracts at 4 years.
2.) Max contract length at 6 years.
3.) Unrestricted free agency after age of 27 or 7 years of service, whichever occurs second.
4.) Any team can sign restricted free agent to an offer sheet, current team has the option of matching the contract.
5.) A team can sign to a contract one restricted free agent per year plus one for each restricted free agent who leaves without penalty. Contracts with an annual average value of less than 1.5 million do not count towards either limit.
6.) Any free agents signed above the non-penalty allotment incur the following losses
One over allotment: Loss of a 2nd round pick in the next draft to the team who lost the player with the contract with the highest total compensation
Two over allotment: Loss of a 1st and 2nd round picks in the next draft, with the 1st round pick going to team that lost the player with the contract with the highest total compensation and the 2nd round pick going to the team who lost the player with the contract with the next highest total compensation.
Three over allotment: Loss of a 1st and 2nd round picks in the next draft and a 1st round pick in the following draft, with the 1st round pick going to team that lost the player with the contract with the highest total compensation and the 2nd round pick going to the team who lost the player with the contract with the next highest total compensation, the 1st round pick in the following draft is given to the team that finishes lowest in the standings the following year.
Four over allotment: Loss of a 1st and 2nd round picks in the next draft and 1st and 2nd round picks in the following draft, with the 1st round pick going to team that lost the player with the contract with the highest total compensation and the 2nd round pick going to the team who lost the player with the contract with the next highest total compensation, the 1st round pick in the following draft is given to the team that finishes lowest in the standings and the 2nd round pick to the team that finished the next lowest in the following year.
Teams cannot go more than 5 over its allotment and cannot sign any players if they do not have the required picks to forfeit.

7.) Revenue Sharing and the Salary Cap:
All league revenues are placed into a single pool that will be distributed to each team. Each team reports local hockey related revenue (LHRR) to the league from this an average (AvgLHRR) is determined. Any teams who has a LHRR below the league average receives a payout from the league revenue pool (called Revenue Sharing Dispersal: RSD) to bring the teams LHRR up to the average level. The maximum any team can receive in RSD is equal to that teams LHRR. Any funds remaining from league revenue will be distributed to teams on an equal basis, and this will be referred to as the league revenue dispersal (LRD). In this case the salary cap will be set at 60% of the sum of AvgLHRR and LRD. The salary floor will be the larger of either 40% of the sum of AvgLHRR and LRD or the value of RSD.
In the case that the league revenue is insufficient to get all low earning teams to the AvgLHRR, the league revenues will be distributed to get the lower earning teams as close as possible to the AvgLHRR but such that all teams receiving a RSD will have equal Total Hockey Related Revenues (THRR). The salary cap will be set at 50% of AvgLHRR, the salary floor at 50% of THRR.
 
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Chances of a season have gone like this.

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Almington, everyone already knew the NHL's original deal was absurd. I was responding to the twitterverse inexplicably viewing the NHLPA's response as "reasonable and cause for hope."

Fehr's first card played down is the same one that Goodenow played 6 years ago. Temporary cutback by the players under a continuance of the previous CBA.
 
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Almington, everyone already knew the NHL's original deal was absurd. I was responding to the twitterverse inexplicably viewing the NHLPA's response as "reasonable and cause for hope."

Fehr's first card played down is the same one that Goodenow played 6 years ago. Temporary cutback by the players under a continuance of the previous CBA.

Yeah, and it's becoming more likely that the end result will be the same too.
 
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Yeah, and it's becoming more likely that the end result will be the same too.

In other words, after a year off, the players tell Fehr to screw himself, bend over and take it up the arse from ownership?

Yeah, sounds accurate.

EDIT: All relative, of course. I'd love to have even a $750,000 pre-tax salary. :p
 
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