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2011 NHL Off-Season: The Puck Boat edition

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MountieBoyOz said:
The question of Jets team history being in Phoenix will be resolved when the Yotes move to Quebec City or Kansas City. :D
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No it won't. ;)

Evander Kane is going to be wearing #9 for the Jets. TNSE already issued a statement saying that Kane's approval from Hull was just him being respectful, there will be no retired Jets numbers. The former Winnipeg Jets numbers will be honored. As will the 37 of Dan Snyder.


Oh, and 'Yotes to Seattle in two years. Don Levin as the owner. Book it. ;)
 
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MattS said:
There is simply no way he will get 10+ minutes a night unless he plays a ton of PK minutes. Between the Richards, Gaborik,and whomever line (let not kid ourselves that it will be Boyle) and the Anisimov, Dubinsky & Cally line, that is more than half of the game right there. And do you really think Stepan is going to be relegated to fourth line duty? Stepan has just as many goals and was a rookie! So that leaves Boyle on the fourth line unless he changes positions (which I suppose could happen). And thus fourth line minutes. Maybe he gets some PP time on the second unit which would help. It's not a knock on Boyle, he could be a good 3rd liner, but the Rangers have an over abundance of centers, and I think Boyle is going to be the odd man out.

I hope I am wrong about Boyle's production. But in this salary cap age, I think it is foolish to chance that kind of money on a player who has had one good half season in the NHL, and will most likely get put on a fourth line. But hey this is Sather and this is what he does best. Overpay for players that weren't going anywhere.
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First of all, since when is $1.7 million a lot of money in the NHL or any sport for that matter? What do you think Boyle would have gotten in arbitration? I think he would have gotten at least $1.5 per, most likely a little more. It's best to avoid arbitration if possible anyway. You sound as if signing Boyle to this deal prevents them from signing/re-signing guys they need. I don't see that to be the case here. Inevitably, guys will get hurt, etc. From the outside, it looks like Tortorella likes what Boyle brought to the table. He's pretty durable and will fill in a lot of roles. We'll agree to disagree, but it will be fun to track his ice time this year.
 
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bronconick said:
It's Franchise History. Not "City team" history.
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The Ottawa Senators thumb their nose at you. ;)


Yes, I agree that it's franchise history and not city history. And it should stay that way.
 
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bronconick said:
It's Franchise History. Not "City team" history.
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Why can't the history be transferred from one team to another, one a team is moved the franchise history is effectively reset to zero anyway.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I thought it worked well when the NFL did that for the Cleveland Browns.
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That was the result of a lawsuit and legal settlement. Winnipeg's owners didn't really want the name, and they're not going to pull a lawsuit out of their *** for a history they don't really care about.

Almington: Sure, if we change relocation rules so that the current players are left behind and a new expansion draft takes place. With your rules, the 1983 Super Bowl Champion is ______ until someone moves a team to LA.
 
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bronconick said:
Almington: Sure, if we change relocation rules so that the current players are left behind and a new expansion draft takes place. With your rules, the 1983 Super Bowl Champion is ______ until someone moves a team to LA.
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You can move a franchise, all the players, and still leave the history without creating a whole new franchise , no need to hold an expansion draft or make it any more complicated than it has to be.

The history is what it is and will remain so. Effectively the history of the original Jets or the Nordeques exists no more then as a chapter in a history book, the franchises that may have moved from those locations may technically have that history, but it isn't something that matters to those franchises anymore.
 
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The only reason this hasn't come to a head yet is because no one that has won anything ever seems to move. The Islanders aren't going to leave their banners behind for some future secondary New York hockey team if their arena deal gets shot down and they become the Kansas City Scouts 2.0

Should the Timberwolves have the 5 championships of the Minneapolis Lakers? No. That's just stupid.
 
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bronconick said:
The only reason this hasn't come to a head yet is because no one that has won anything ever seems to move. The Islanders aren't going to leave their banners behind for some future secondary New York hockey team if their arena deal gets shot down and they become the Kansas City Scouts 2.0

Should the Timberwolves have the 5 championships of the Minneapolis Lakers? No. That's just stupid.
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That's because the Lakers claim those championships for the FRANCHISE, same with the Raiders, even the Stars kept the retired numbers and records from when they were the North Stars (did not know that, quite impressed by that fact).

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

My opinion is that a team should either have to keep all of it's history, or leave all of it's history (and name) behind for a team that returns to that city (if they so chose to accept it). If the team returning to the city chooses not to accept it, then the name and team end up as just a footnote in history unconnected to any active franchise.
 
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Ryan Callahan resigns with the Rangers for 3 years, 13 million.

That pretty much should complete the Rangers roster.

I'm happy with the Rangers offseason. No outragelously terrible deals by Sather except for the Rupp deal being too much, but we still ended up getting everybody signed we needed to and landed the big fish in Richards.

I'll certainly hold my optimism until the season starts, but I like this Rangers team on paper if they stay healthy and the younger guys continue to mature and ascend to the primary leadership roles on the team.

Of course, it all goes to hell and a handbasket if Lundqvist gets hurt since that's who this team is built around.


Just praying that Gaborik and Richards can develop chemistry so that the Rangers can have two very legitimate scoring lines with Dubinsky and Callahan on the other.
 
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Almington said:
That's because the Lakers claim those championships for the FRANCHISE, same with the Raiders, even the Stars kept the retired numbers and records from when they were the North Stars (did not know that, quite impressed by that fact).

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

My opinion is that a team should either have to keep all of it's history, or leave all of it's history (and name) behind for a team that returns to that city (if they so chose to accept it). If the team returning to the city chooses not to accept it, then the name and team end up as just a footnote in history unconnected to any active franchise.
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I'd agree the same name/different franchise can be confusing, but there's several precedents in baseball. The Milwaukee Brewers existed in 1901. They're the Orioles now (previously the St. Louis Browns). The modern Brewers don't claim any of their records or history (not that they won anything - but their players are listed in the All-Time Orioles rosters on the official site). IMO, the history should go with the franchise, even if another team comes later with the same name.

Do you consider the Senators different because the original franchises aren't active NHL teams? Or are they not different? I think it's odd they mention the original Senators <a href="http://senators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=48973">as part of the team history</a> when the modern Senators were an expansion franchise.
 
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jen said:
I'd agree the same name/different franchise can be confusing, but there's several precedents in baseball. The Milwaukee Brewers existed in 1901. They're the Orioles now (previously the St. Louis Browns). The modern Brewers don't claim any of their records or history (not that they won anything - but their players are listed in the All-Time Orioles rosters on the official site). IMO, the history should go with the franchise, even if another team comes later with the same name.

Do you consider the Senators different because the original franchises aren't active NHL teams? Or are they not different? I think it's odd they mention the original Senators <a href="http://senators.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=48973">as part of the team history</a> when the modern Senators were an expansion franchise.
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I don't think I've ever seen the Twins relate any part of the current franchise to the original Senators.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I don't think I've ever seen the Twins relate any part of the current franchise to the original Senators.
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Baseball Reference does, but I thought the original Senators got attached to the 1961 Senators.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I don't think I've ever seen the Twins relate any part of the current franchise to the original Senators.
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I've seen some vote from the Twins where you voted for the best pitcher in franchise history and Walter Johnson was on the list.
 
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And I also think that they take Harmon Killebrew's stats from when he played for the Sens as their own as well.
 
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