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2011 NHL Off-Season: The Puck Boat edition

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joecct said:
Cap Geek is my friend.

For example, if you are a decent UFA, Florida would look very nice.
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They're the best example. I mean, they're really screwed. They're going to have to spend 30M to get to the floor, and their roster is pretty much junk. They'll be fun to watch this summer.
 
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Florida may be an option for teams who need to dump salary. Philly, for instance, if the rumored $5.5 million/year deal with Bryz is true.
 
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Kepler said:
I agree with your larger point, but it's also far more interesting than the MLB system where a handful of big market teams bribe the rest of the league to be cannon fodder and 90% of fans start every year with no chance to see their team win a title.
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9 different teams have won the World Series in the past 10 years.
 
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OvahInDovah said:
They're the best example. I mean, they're really screwed. They're going to have to spend 30M to get to the floor, and their roster is pretty much junk. They'll be fun to watch this summer.
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Well, I'd imagine they'll have a lot of non-roster guys coming up, which could possibly account for a million or three. But ultimately, yeah, they're gonna have to spend up to the floor.

In reality, the floor is a necessary evil in order to keep cheapskates from putting out a team that'll get slaughtered every time out. THAT would create instability for the league by having a watered-down product that's not worht the price of admission. The whole point of watching this sport, or any other, for that matter, is because it's exciting to see two teams who are COMPETETIVE with each other. That's why the NFL has done so well for the past 2 decades: EVERY team has a chance to win the Super Bowl EVERY year (except for the Lions). Baseball doesn't even come close to that, and basketball is a sham. Hockey is attempting to build an NFL-style economic system, but there needs to be a control on shysters who take advantage of people's willingness to see a hockey game.

I'm not even going to get into why there shouldn't be a hockey team in Florida to begin with, because I'll just get bitter and turn into the hockey version of Glenn Beck.
 
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IrishWildcat said:
I'm not even going to get into why there shouldn't be a hockey team in Florida to begin with, because I'll just get bitter and turn into the hockey version of Glenn Beck.
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Awww, come on, that would be fun for the rest of us to read! :D
 
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IrishWildcat said:
In reality, the floor is a necessary evil in order to keep cheapskates from putting out a team that'll get slaughtered every time out. THAT would create instability for the league by having a watered-down product that's not worht the price of admission.
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I dunno. The Pittsburgh Pirates seemed to have turned that into an art form. They have one of the lowest payrolls, no real chance of being competitive, and yet the ballclub turns a profit.


As for the salary floor. Is it hard and fast that everyone on the roster MUST get some share of that floor, or could a team (ie: Florida) fall below that cap and just pay a penalty fee of the remainder to the NHL?
 
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aparch said:
I dunno. The Pittsburgh Pirates seemed to have turned that into an art form. They have one of the lowest payrolls, no real chance of being competitive, and yet the ballclub turns a profit.


As for the salary floor. Is it hard and fast that everyone on the roster MUST get some share of that floor, or could a team (ie: Florida) fall below that cap and just pay a penalty fee of the remainder to the NHL?
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I think a couple times teams have made trades late in the year that push them low enough that they're relying on bonuses that eventually weren't reached to push them over the cap, and the league chose not to punish them.
 
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IrishWildcat said:
That's why the NFL has done so well for the past 2 decades: EVERY team has a chance to win the Super Bowl EVERY year (except for the Lions).
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This isn't realistic. You can write off 1/3 to 1/2 of the teams in the NFL before the start of any given season.
 
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jmh said:
This isn't realistic. You can write off 1/3 to 1/2 of the teams in the NFL before the start of any given season.
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Within the past 20 seasons, EVERY team in the NFL and the NHL has made the playoffs.

The Pirates haven't even had a winning season since '92. The Royals haven't made it in the postseason since 1985. And the Expos/Nationals last made playoffs in 1981.

The heart of the argument is the competitiveness (which, in reality is the quality) of the team. If nothing else, it's a ****-poor version of Quality Control.
 
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IrishWildcat said:
Within the past 20 seasons, EVERY team in the NFL and the NHL has made the playoffs.

The Pirates haven't even had a winning season since '92. The Royals haven't made it in the postseason since 1985. And the Expos/Nationals last made playoffs in 1981.

The heart of the argument is the competitiveness (which, in reality is the quality) of the team. If nothing else, it's a ****-poor version of Quality Control.
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This is the the old apples and oranges argument. There is a huge difference between (majority of recent history) 4 teams making the playoffs in baseball to the multitude that make it in hockey and NFL.
 
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winnipeg.nhl.com is now active (and not just redirecting to nhl.com/winnipeg news blurbs)

thrashers.nhl.com has been shut down.

I'm a little saddened by that. Guess I need to save up a portion of the wedding money to pick up a Thrashers jersey before they're gone.
 
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MattS said:
This is the the old apples and oranges argument. There is a huge difference between (majority of recent history) 4 teams making the playoffs in baseball to the multitude that make it in hockey and NFL.
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It's part of baseball's charm, and yet why it's closer to a regional sport now.

I've seen the Tigers make the playoffs twice since I understood what baseball was, and once was when I was 7 and I barely remember it. That's a worse ratio then what the lowly Lions manage.

Therefore, my yearly habit is to lose interest in the sport in September and follow football instead. I'm not alone, given that baseball's WS ratings are trending behind the NBA and closing in on the combined US/Canada NHL final totals.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
My first thought - $15 for one Jager Bomb? I get that it's Boston and that it's some trendy nightclub to boot, but with prices like that, plus the gifted $100,000 bottle of champagne, I can see where racking up that bar tab would've been easy.
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A Bottle of Captain for 300 dollars? Yeah...I wont ever complain about buying one at the store for 20 something dollars ever again.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
My first thought - $15 for one Jager Bomb? I get that it's Boston and that it's some trendy nightclub to boot, but with prices like that, plus the gifted $100,000 bottle of champagne, I can see where racking up that bar tab would've been easy.
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It wasn't in Boston, it was at Foxwoods.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
My first thought - $15 for one Jager Bomb? I get that it's Boston and that it's some trendy nightclub to boot, but with prices like that, plus the gifted $100,000 bottle of champagne, I can see where racking up that bar tab would've been easy.
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My first thought - what's 20-year old Tyler Seguin doing dancing on a bar in a licensed establishment? :D

Other than enjoying himself immensely!
 
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