2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!

[J.D.]

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Maine suffered a defeat to Towson and are now ranked 94 in the ELO-CHESS, just behind Minnesota and ahead of Ole Miss. Boston College is #127

Have to wonder how stupid those rankings are because even BC's worst team in years would be favored to beat Maine.

Anyway, I'm not getting too worked about this right now. Let me put it this way...if at the end of the year there are undefeated teams other than non-BCS schools Boise and Houston...and Alabama is still in line to play for the title...

This should be the final straw for the BCS system. How can other conferences who had undefeated teams just accept it? Something will have to change, right?...

 

[J.D.]

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Having said all that, I'll never understand the hatred of the SEC when they consistently produce the best teams. It's a fact.

 

[bigmrg74]

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If the point of the system is to come up with the two best teams at the end of the year, then winning the conference shouldn't be a prerequisite. If it was, then that would mean it would be impossible for the two best teams in the country to be from the same conference; something which is certainly plausible. If you thought Alabama was the second best team in the country prior to last Saturday, which most seemed to, I don't see how an overtime loss to the number one team invalidates them from being the second best team.

I still think most of this will play itself out before it's an issue. If Oklahoma State can run the table, I'd be impressed enough that I'd want to see them in the championship. I think Stanford is closer to Boise territory with some of the competition they've played and how the PAC10 has looked this year.

The BCS is nothing more than a fat fisted money grab. If it was all about finding the best two teams and having them settle it on the field, there would be a sixteen team playoff.

Heh.

Oh, I'm sure they'll figure out that there would be plenty of money to be had between both teams to play an annual game between each other. As per SEC rules, Kansas could be one of their allotted cupcakes to eat to fatten up their schedule.

 

[kingdobbs]

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Have to wonder how stupid those rankings are because even BC's worst team in years would be favored to beat Maine.

Not really stupid, so much as an inherent flaw in any kind of ranking system when you have teams compared from within two mostly insulated tiers. There's just enough connections that a 5 win spread in overall records will cause a 7-2 Maine team to appear higher than a 2-7 Boston College team, despite BC's likely higher schedule strength, but not enough for that win differential to be significant in terms of a likely result on the field.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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So wait, I saw online yesterday that the GREATEST GAME EVAR BETWEEEN THE GREATEST TEAMS IN HISTORY OMG !!!!!11!!!!!!!!1!!!! ended 9-6. These 2 "best teams" couldn't even find the endzone? ****ing Pathetic. And now Alabama is still ranked ahead of Stanford? Even more pathetic. This is why I only watch a couple games played by the teams I'm interested in each week, the rest of it is nothing but a complete crock of ****.

 

[LynahFan]

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YEAH!!! AND WHO NEEDS DEFENSE ANYWAY??? THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE GAME!

Alabama has allowed 6.7 only points per game against the 20th toughest schedule (Sagarin). How could they *not* be in the discussion as one of the top 2 teams in the country?

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Alabama has allowed 6.7 only points per game against the 20th toughest schedule (Sagarin). How could they *not* be in the discussion as one of the top 2 teams in the country?

The only part I don't like about a rematch would be that you are putting more value on the 2nd meeting than the first. So LSU is penalized for winning the first game and losing the 2nd much more than Alabama would be for the reverse.

LSU beat Alabama, AT Alabama. No neutral site victory by Alabama will ever be as impressive.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Alabama already had their chance to beat LSU, they failed. They shouldn't get another.

And if the defenses are that good, return a **** turnover for a TD, I don't care how they do it, but the 2 best teams in the country should be able to score a single touchdown against ANYONE. No exceptions.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Alabama already had their chance to beat LSU, they failed. They shouldn't get another.

The scenario in which that happens requires OSU and Stanford to lose games. Stanford's only real chance of losing is when they play Oregon.

If everyone has 1 loss Alabama may indeed be considered the 2nd best team, and reasonably so.

 

[LynahFan]

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Alabama already had their chance to beat LSU, they failed. They shouldn't get another.

And if the defenses are that good, return a **** turnover for a TD, I don't care how they do it, but the 2 best teams in the country should be able to score a single touchdown against ANYONE. No exceptions.

So if you had a vote in the poll, you would not pick LSU as #1 OR #2? I thought the idea was to win, but I guess it's just a skills competition to see who can score touchdowns.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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The scenario in which that happens requires OSU and Stanford to lose games. Stanford's only real chance of losing is when they play Oregon.

If everyone has 1 loss Alabama may indeed be considered the 2nd best team, and reasonably so.

And that's why Stanford is behind Alabama, despite being undefeated? I stand by my original statement that the whole thing is a giant crock of ****.

 

[unofan]

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YEAH!!! AND WHO NEEDS DEFENSE ANYWAY??? THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE GAME!

3 missed field goals, 4 interceptions, one lost fumble indicate a game that was less than stellar.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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So if you had a vote in the poll, you would not pick LSU as #1 OR #2? I thought the idea was to win, but I guess it's just a skills competition to see who can score touchdowns.

Fine, the idea is to win. Keep LSU #1, but then you can't have a double standard and put Alabama, WHO LOST, in front of Stanford.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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And that's why Stanford is behind Alabama, despite being undefeated? I stand by my original statement that the whole thing is a giant crock of ****.

No ones disagreeing that the BCS stinks. I'm just telling you how it is.

Also, being undefeated in not soley an indicator of your quality. It's an indicator of your opponents quality as well. Which is why teams like Houston and Boise State have no shot at making the title game. They play too easy of a schedule.

Stanford unfortunately is playing in a weaker Pac-12 this season. They really only have 2 or 3 games on their schedule that will help them in the BCS standings. If they beat Oregon, they will move up.

 

[alfablue]

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Actually, I'm fully in favor of a rematch of LSU and Alabama.

that way, the teams I want to watch in bowl games, I'll be able to.

With the BCS championship game being on a Monday night, and Tuesday being a work day, plus it starting pretty late (post 8pm), and all of the lead up to it (kick off later, even), plus the very underwhelming play the past few years, I have just watched just a few of the snaps of a typical "championship" game. Oh, and emphaisis on the quites- this continues to be a made up/mythical championships.

OTOH, all of the rest of the teams will play the majority of games on or before Monday, Jan 2- which is I have off, and only a few of the games will be late.

I'm happy to not watch the BSC "championship" game, moreso if it's a rematch. Go for it. A game I don't have to worry about seeing!

 

[LynahFan]

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3 missed field goals

Technically 4 (including OT), of 44, 50, 48, and 52 yards. Sure, as a kicker you'd like to do better than that, but missing those is not inexcusable. Just maybe LSU's oustanding defense had something to do with Alabama having to take these potshots at the uprights?

4 interceptions, one lost fumble

One man's lost turnover is another man's forced turnover. If you're going to use these to point out how bad Alabama was, you have to also credit LSU for them. In which case, Alabama was able to force a team capable of making those takeaways to overtime. It's all just a circular argument - you have to go instead with watching the individual and team skill and athleticism displayed and do a "thought experiment" for how the games against the other candidates would go. I happen to think Alabama would put up rather easy wins against OSU or Stanford on a neutral field. Unfortunately, we'll probably never find out, since if they all win out either Stanford will go to the Rose or OSU to the Fiesta (with Alabama in the Sugar).

 

[LynahFan]

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Fine, the idea is to win. Keep LSU #1, but then you can't have a double standard and put Alabama, WHO LOST, in front of Stanford.

Sure you can. If I told you that Stanford played LSU and didn't score any touchdowns, do you think their defense would be good enough to take LSU to OT? Not a chance. Stanford is not nearly as complete of a team as Alabama, which would be exposed if the two ever got to play.

 

[unofan]

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Sure you can. If I told you that Stanford played LSU and didn't score any touchdowns, do you think their defense would be good enough to take LSU to OT? Not a chance. Stanford is not nearly as complete of a team as Alabama, which would be exposed if the two ever got to play.

Oh boo hoo hoo, they lost at home. Why do they deserve a chance on a neutral field over an unbeaten Stanford or Oklahoma State? You keep saying results matter, then use a hypothetical non-game to justify why a 1-loss team deserves an opportunity over an unbeaten team.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Sure you can. If I told you that Stanford played LSU and didn't score any touchdowns, do you think their defense would be good enough to take LSU to OT? Not a chance. Stanford is not nearly as complete of a team as Alabama, which would be exposed if the two ever got to play.

You can't say that for certain, and as long as long as Stanford finishes undefeated, they should have the opportunity to prove what they can do. As long as OK St. isn't still undefeated, because I'd put them ahead of Stanford at this point. Stanford has gone out and beaten everyone put in front of them, in a BCS conference, Alabama has not. Seems pretty simple to me, if you're rewarding winning, like you said previously.

 

[WeWantMore]

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If everyone has 1 loss Alabama may indeed be considered the 2nd best team, and reasonably so.

Why not Oregon in that scenario? Both will have one loss (to LSU) and Alabama will have lost at home, while Oregon lost at Jerry World in front of a crowd that was mostly LSU fans. Also, Oregon actually manged to get into double digit points.