MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Really? Could have sworn it was the 4 missed FG's.
I'm also not buying the SEC party line that "it was the defenses". While both defenses are no doubt two of the best, neither offense executed well either.
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I'm also not buying the SEC party line that "it was the defenses". While both defenses are no doubt two of the best, neither offense executed well either.
Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
Two missed field goals in the first quarter, a blocked kick and a 52 yard prayer in OT. if one or two are made in the first half, LSU approaches things differently on offense.
Great defenses absolutely contribute to poor execution.
Anyway, the SEC has won five straight national titles and deserves all the praise it gets. I'm not even an SEC guy but let's not deny the obvious.
Two missed field goals in the first quarter, a blocked kick and a 52 yard prayer in OT. if one or two are made in the first half, LSU approaches things differently on offense.
Great defenses absolutely contribute to poor execution.
Anyway, the SEC has won five straight national titles and deserves all the praise it gets. I'm not even an SEC guy but let's not deny the obvious.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
The entirety of the Southeastern Conference is currently 6-3 against other BCS conferences, 3-2 against conferences not named the Big East.
Given that I refuse to give Boise State current points for beating Oklahoma, Oregon and Virginia Tech in past years, why should I give Alabama current points because the conference they're in and won't win this season won previous BCS title games?
Your logic dictates that we decide that Alabama is better than both Oklahoma teams and deserve a second shot based on what? Arkansas beating A&M? Because Cam Newton and Tim Tebow played for SEC schools recently?
The entirety of the Southeastern Conference is currently 6-3 against other BCS conferences, 3-2 against conferences not named the Big East.
Given that I refuse to give Boise State current points for beating Oklahoma, Oregon and Virginia Tech in past years, why should I give Alabama current points because the conference they're in and won't win this season won previous BCS title games?
Your logic dictates that we decide that Alabama is better than both Oklahoma teams and deserve a second shot based on what? Arkansas beating A&M? Because Cam Newton and Tim Tebow played for SEC schools recently?
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The SEC certainly has some bad teams, but LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia and Auburn are still representing the conference pretty **** well. Alabama has been destroying teams and only lost to LSU...why aren't you giving them points? Because they lost to LSU? I don't get it.
Listen, I don't want to see a rematch either. I absolutely think Alabama would have no problem with Oklahoma State. That's just what my eyes tell me. Now, I happen to think Oklahoma wins out. Do you think Oklahoma is better than Alabama?
The SEC certainly has some bad teams, but LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia and Auburn are still representing the conference pretty **** well. Alabama has been destroying teams and only lost to LSU...why aren't you giving them points? Because they lost to LSU? I don't get it.
Listen, I don't want to see a rematch either. I absolutely think Alabama would have no problem with Oklahoma State. That's just what my eyes tell me. Now, I happen to think Oklahoma wins out. Do you think Oklahoma is better than Alabama?
bronconick
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Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
The first three are. What have the last three done to represent the SEC? Lost to Boise (at "home" and got dominated physically on the line) and Clemson, beat Navy by 3 and needed onside kicks to beat Utah State. They're the perfect examples of overrated teams based on conference affiliation.
If you want to play for the title in a 2 team, one game playoff in a system that doesn't reward playing difficult non-conference games to give us a better idea of who is where, win your conference. Alabama was at home, shanked four field goals and managed to lose 10 yards in overtime. They had their shot. I'd have been more inclined to give LSU a 2nd chance, but not much. If Stanford or one of the Okies gets destroyed 44-10 by LSU, then Alabama can be happy with their #2 final ranking, which is all they deserve anyway.
The first three are. What have the last three done to represent the SEC? Lost to Boise (at "home" and got dominated physically on the line) and Clemson, beat Navy by 3 and needed onside kicks to beat Utah State. They're the perfect examples of overrated teams based on conference affiliation.
If you want to play for the title in a 2 team, one game playoff in a system that doesn't reward playing difficult non-conference games to give us a better idea of who is where, win your conference. Alabama was at home, shanked four field goals and managed to lose 10 yards in overtime. They had their shot. I'd have been more inclined to give LSU a 2nd chance, but not much. If Stanford or one of the Okies gets destroyed 44-10 by LSU, then Alabama can be happy with their #2 final ranking, which is all they deserve anyway.
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You can pick apart teams from other conferences just as easily. Anyway, since when is losing to Boise anywhere a bad thing? Clemson is 8-1. Utah State was Auburn's first game of the year. Fine, South Carolina didn't look good against Navy, but that's just one game--and they won the game. Those teams aren't any more "overrated" than other teams across the country.
If you want to argue top to bottom, I won't stop you from saying the SEC isn't the best. The fact of the matter is they've consistently produced the top teams in the country over the past five years.
Again, I don't wanna see a rematch. I'm rooting against it. I don't think it should happen. But IMO, Alabama would mop the floor with Oklahoma State.
You can pick apart teams from other conferences just as easily. Anyway, since when is losing to Boise anywhere a bad thing? Clemson is 8-1. Utah State was Auburn's first game of the year. Fine, South Carolina didn't look good against Navy, but that's just one game--and they won the game. Those teams aren't any more "overrated" than other teams across the country.
If you want to argue top to bottom, I won't stop you from saying the SEC isn't the best. The fact of the matter is they've consistently produced the top teams in the country over the past five years.
Again, I don't wanna see a rematch. I'm rooting against it. I don't think it should happen. But IMO, Alabama would mop the floor with Oklahoma State.
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They had older sisters that went to this school, so the voters feel more comfortable with her name. They lend her credibility. Because they were so good, the voters assume she will be as well.
They had older sisters that went to this school, so the voters feel more comfortable with her name. They lend her credibility. Because they were so good, the voters assume she will be as well.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
This is a genuinely good point. Goose/gander FTW.
Almington
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Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
Because what happened in the previous bowl season does influence the perceived conference strengths and the pre-season rankings even if you don't recognize or acknowledge it . It's why Boise is ranked #5 and Houston is 11th in the latest AP bowl but both are undefeated mid-major teams. It's why after going 0-5 on New Year's Day bowl games last season the Big Ten doesn't get any credit for close losses to other conference teams this season in the national rankings.
Because what happened in the previous bowl season does influence the perceived conference strengths and the pre-season rankings even if you don't recognize or acknowledge it . It's why Boise is ranked #5 and Houston is 11th in the latest AP bowl but both are undefeated mid-major teams. It's why after going 0-5 on New Year's Day bowl games last season the Big Ten doesn't get any credit for close losses to other conference teams this season in the national rankings.
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If the point of the system is to come up with the two best teams at the end of the year, then winning the conference shouldn't be a prerequisite. If it was, then that would mean it would be impossible for the two best teams in the country to be from the same conference; something which is certainly plausible. If you thought Alabama was the second best team in the country prior to last Saturday, which most seemed to, I don't see how an overtime loss to the number one team invalidates them from being the second best team.
I still think most of this will play itself out before it's an issue. If Oklahoma State can run the table, I'd be impressed enough that I'd want to see them in the championship. I think Stanford is closer to Boise territory with some of the competition they've played and how the PAC10 has looked this year.
If the point of the system is to come up with the two best teams at the end of the year, then winning the conference shouldn't be a prerequisite. If it was, then that would mean it would be impossible for the two best teams in the country to be from the same conference; something which is certainly plausible. If you thought Alabama was the second best team in the country prior to last Saturday, which most seemed to, I don't see how an overtime loss to the number one team invalidates them from being the second best team.
I still think most of this will play itself out before it's an issue. If Oklahoma State can run the table, I'd be impressed enough that I'd want to see them in the championship. I think Stanford is closer to Boise territory with some of the competition they've played and how the PAC10 has looked this year.
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Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
Using the BCS-component of the Sagarin ratings (ELO-CHESS), Div-IAA North Dakota State is #26. Assuming they run the table and finish 11-0 (which they should do) are they eligible to be ranked in the BCS? I'm not saying they should be, just wondering if they are eligible. It'd be a heck of a statement for FCS football for a team to get ranked in the BCS.
Maine suffered a defeat to Towson and are now ranked 94 in the ELO-CHESS, just behind Minnesota and ahead of Ole Miss. Boston College is #127
Using the BCS-component of the Sagarin ratings (ELO-CHESS), Div-IAA North Dakota State is #26. Assuming they run the table and finish 11-0 (which they should do) are they eligible to be ranked in the BCS? I'm not saying they should be, just wondering if they are eligible. It'd be a heck of a statement for FCS football for a team to get ranked in the BCS.
Maine suffered a defeat to Towson and are now ranked 94 in the ELO-CHESS, just behind Minnesota and ahead of Ole Miss. Boston College is #127
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Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
Oh hey and they keep Alabama as #3. I just ESPN wanted them to stay at #2 since they're SEC. This is horse****.
Oh hey and they keep Alabama as #3. I just ESPN wanted them to stay at #2 since they're SEC. This is horse****.
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The ESPN guys practically came in their pants when they showed Alabama #3.
The ESPN guys practically came in their pants when they showed Alabama #3.
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I need to sign for College Gameday next week that's something along the lines of "Get the SEC cocks out of your mouths" that somehow works the letters E, S, P, and N into them.
I need to sign for College Gameday next week that's something along the lines of "Get the SEC cocks out of your mouths" that somehow works the letters E, S, P, and N into them.
bronconick
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Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
How does Brad Edwards have a job as their "BCS Guru"? 2/3 of the BCS depends literally on the individual voter order of their ballots. No more than 12 hours ago he was informing them that Alabama would be 5.
How does Brad Edwards have a job as their "BCS Guru"? 2/3 of the BCS depends literally on the individual voter order of their ballots. No more than 12 hours ago he was informing them that Alabama would be 5.
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Re: 2011 College Football: Occupy GameDay!
I like how they say Stanford can move above Alabama if they beat Oregon. Yeah, they keep them above them for one week and then find a way to drop them back below. Let's see, who does Alabama play week after next; ah, Georgia Southern. I bet we'll hear how that's a big victory after all it has a southern state in the name!
I like how they say Stanford can move above Alabama if they beat Oregon. Yeah, they keep them above them for one week and then find a way to drop them back below. Let's see, who does Alabama play week after next; ah, Georgia Southern. I bet we'll hear how that's a big victory after all it has a southern state in the name!
dxmnkd316
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And the coverage is back to "why boths teams from yesterday's game are still awesome and I love their gizz all over my face".
And the coverage is back to "why boths teams from yesterday's game are still awesome and I love their gizz all over my face".
French Rage
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Heh.
Heh.
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